IronBloodedLion
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I’m shit talking him, but I’d still take him back because he’s cheap lol. Give him a bridge deal and let’s see if he gets better.
Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière
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I’m shit talking him, but I’d still take him back because he’s cheap lol. Give him a bridge deal and let’s see if he gets better.
Rangers in 7
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show me the list of players that are on their entry level deal scoring 40 points......please
did he suck in the playoffs? yes. is he the reason we lost? no
I agree, none of these kids have been tested yet. Throw them into every situation for a full year and see what happens.
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Yes top 192 would be 2nd line territory, so he was kind of borderline. Also he was second among forwards in hits. As a 21 year old.
Again, I get everyone being disappointed, due to his draft position, but acting like he's not already a solid NHLer (not saying that is YOU) is delusional.
he does have skills but they are not 1st overall level, but he is not an elite player. We should have traded down or taken Byfield. We needed a Center not another LW.
Megustaelhockey
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you have to start with a new coach or just trading him to recoup some value.
but not as much and at least he has size and plays center and is a year younger
DanielBrassard
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Its amazing watching people make excuses for OTHER teams' "busts"... Hahaha.
But he was for the season in question. And he technically STILL is.
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Rangers in 7
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seriously.....that's it?
so you are telling me that goodrow at 3.6 is ok but signing laf for 2 mil for 40 points is bad?
i dont understand the thought process here? trading laf does absolutely nothing good for us. you keep him and see how he continues to grow
ill repeat he was disappointing in this series, but trading him to watch him succeed elsewhere is f***ing hilarious
Jauffre
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He's just not good at anything right now.
His first year, we all saw some finishing ability with what looked like an elite-level shot (or close to it). Apparently even that's gone. I do think a portion of it is lack of confidence, but even then, that just means he's not a gamer - weak mindset. Everyone can see the goofy attitude and idiosyncratic behavior on the bench and in interviews. And the "hockey IQ" certainly isn't there.
He really did peak early physically. At the NHL level - no tools AND no toolbox.
Before the 2020 draft, already disappointed in Kakko, I distinctly remember saying to myself "imagine if Lafreniere is somehow a bust, like there's no way but just imagine..", thinking it'd be the most Rangers thing ever.
Well here we are. Unbelievable.
His first year, we all saw some finishing ability with what looked like an elite-level shot (or close to it). Apparently even that's gone. I do think a portion of it is lack of confidence, but even then, that just means he's not a gamer - weak mindset. Everyone can see the goofy attitude and idiosyncratic behavior on the bench and in interviews. And the "hockey IQ" certainly isn't there.
He really did peak early physically. At the NHL level - no tools AND no toolbox.
Before the 2020 draft, already disappointed in Kakko, I distinctly remember saying to myself "imagine if Lafreniere is somehow a bust, like there's no way but just imagine..", thinking it'd be the most Rangers thing ever.
Well here we are. Unbelievable.
SA16
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We didn't see finishing ability. We saw a guy who shot 20% which fooled people into thinking he showed finishing ability because people don't understand math.
DanielBrassard
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You're talking to the wrong guy, I hated the Goodrow signing from day 1. It's not that Lafreniere signing for 2 million, or probably closer to 3 million is is out of line with his production. But there are players out there who can add similar value to him at similar dollars. Obviously you think he has some untapped potential upside, I personally haven't seen anything to suggest he's going to all of a sudden become a drastically different player anytime soon. Maybe he breaks out somewhere else, maybe he doesn't, I dont think he will. Plus he still has enough shine on him where you could get back a mid first or so like Dach did from Montreal.
UnSandvich
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Eh, I disagree there. Most of his goals year 1 were the sustainable, tips & rebounds & etc. "Go to the net" type goals. He just shot much colder this year (as did Kreider, for instance)
DanielBrassard
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Well, his shooting percentage was 17.9 D+1, 17.3 D+2, 11.9 D+3. Which is the outlier? Guess we'll find out more next year. I'm not sure, though, how finishing ability and a high shooting/scoring percentage don't support each other. People with a high percentage lack finishing ability? That certainly does not sound right. Hahaha.
Rangers in 7
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so what we trade him for the 22nd overall pick and then hope and pray that kid develops into a star? i mean come on.
and yes i do think he has untapped potential
also if he breaks out and becomes a real star elsewhere a la tage thompson you are ok with that?
OthmannOut
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Same. I still think he has tremendous upside but he was terrible in this series.
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It's going to depend on how much they pay him, but who are you going to get for less that will throw 150 hits and score 40 points (hopefully there is progress there, but let's assume not), Sammy Blais? Hahaha. He IS a free agent. Seriously though he's cheap plays a decent two way game, is physical, and is only 21 with a large potential upside still. You want to replace him you better get value and actually REPLACE him with someone at least as good, as cheap and hopefully with upside... good luck.
Do you trade him for the florida pick which will either be around #17 or #29?
Or maybe there is someone out there around his age that their respective team is no longer big on? who would that someone be?
bleedblue94
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saw absolutely nothing in this series that makes me hopeful. when you need to "look" for positives that means that none are jumping out at you. he has been nothing but disappointing so far and i say that as someone that was so excited for him and rooting for him.
Jauffre
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He shot like 17% in his second year (19 ES goals we all liked to talk about) which yes was never tenable over time. But he's not exactly a volume shooter either. 1.4 shots/gm over his career. But we absolutely did see what looked like finishing ability regardless. His shot was his best asset AINEC. He buried chances off good passes consistently around the net. His release looked good - puck came off his stick pretty quickly. You can have some inflated shooting percentages while looking to have some high-end finishing capability.
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That is the problem with selling low. It's a panic move. You're better off not selling.
DanielBrassard
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I would look for similar value to what Dach got from Montreal, maybe slightly more since Lafreniere has been better over their 1st 3 seasons. A pick in the 10-15 range.
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Yup, he shot in the 17s his first TWO years. 11s this year. 14-15 isn't out of the question long term.
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