Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière
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ReddestRum
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I sure as hell aren't screaming bust, but our future is looking average at best, and what we drafted for, average is not where we want to be in a few years when the guys on our team that are putting up the most points won't be here for long.
BroadwayBlues
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Callahan was a lot tougher mentally. Lafrenierre is a soft frenchy. If Lafy had the effort, work ethic and character of Callahan, Rangers fans would be happy. He does not even have that. Brendl 2.0.
I don’t see any skills at all with Lafrenierre. He is just there
KirkAlbuquerque
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The one bloody time where we win the lottery and this is what we get.
Oscar Lindberg
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I think blame certainly falls on Laf but the Rangers don’t come out smelling like roses here either.
the Rangers couldn’t develop an elite forward they drafted if their life depended on it and it shows
bleedblue94
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I have been saying this for over a year but people continually criticized it as "lazy analysis"
It's becoming clearer and clearer that is the case.
I remember the rough stretch at the start of his career before he scored his first goal in ot against the sabers. He still looks like that same player with the same occasional spurts of something positive like that goal. But he still struggles so much of the time.
Oh yeah there's no doubting that.
If we could draft and develop forwards like we do goalies or defenders even we'd win the cup more often than not.
But Laf hasn't shown anything he's even remotely good at (maybe last season where he could pot open/empty nets). Where you can go "If only he was more consistent he'd be a great player".
Personally I'm not looking at points, I just want to see glimpses of skill.
And the excuses by fans to justify why he's been so crap since he's been here is just bizarre.
What's the point in putting him on the PP just to pad his stats.
I'm just hoping it's some mental block that he's had for the last 3 seasons that's made him forgotten how to play hockey.
There are more than a few things that jump out and say he just has no confidence in playing his game, is gassed, or both. There are things we’ve seen him do at the NHL level, not just in the Q, that are very impressive:
His hand eye coordination is elite. He’s been regularly knocking pucks down out of mid air since he first hit NHL ice.
He has an incredible backhand. Both to roof pucks and thread passes.
He has a stong nose for the net. It’s why he’s been able to rack up ES goals even when they look “lucky.”
One elite talent he had in juniors is ability to grind and control the puck. That’s one we haven’t seen yet as he doesn’t have the strength.
So when’s the last time we’ve seen any of this from him? There’s an issue for sure and it’s not likely one thing, but no one should believe he just lost the ability to do these things. He’s 21, not 31. Combo of lack of confidence and prob some poor conditioning (which would entirely be on him) is creating a lot of headaches. It also compounds when your team is expected to win, as there’s too much pressure to just put your head down and work through them. Chytil and Kakko have experienced this many times along the way.
His hand eye coordination is elite. He’s been regularly knocking pucks down out of mid air since he first hit NHL ice.
He has an incredible backhand. Both to roof pucks and thread passes.
He has a stong nose for the net. It’s why he’s been able to rack up ES goals even when they look “lucky.”
One elite talent he had in juniors is ability to grind and control the puck. That’s one we haven’t seen yet as he doesn’t have the strength.
So when’s the last time we’ve seen any of this from him? There’s an issue for sure and it’s not likely one thing, but no one should believe he just lost the ability to do these things. He’s 21, not 31. Combo of lack of confidence and prob some poor conditioning (which would entirely be on him) is creating a lot of headaches. It also compounds when your team is expected to win, as there’s too much pressure to just put your head down and work through them. Chytil and Kakko have experienced this many times along the way.
Savant
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Based on what? There is no evidence to suggest this. Where are the NHL caliber skills
after taking a shot in the 3 period that was stopped by the goalie he lined up for the faceoff and was huffing n puffing his ass off. is this guy smoking 3 packs of marlboro 100 a day to the filter?
i guess the tank was empty after blowing his load with that assist in the 1st period.
i guess the tank was empty after blowing his load with that assist in the 1st period.
bleedblue94
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Yay?
He's had a couple good plays on his backhand but he is a horrible passer on his backhand and it is a large reason no one wants him on the rw bc he can't make those plays out of his zone
Most of his goals are from going to the net which isn't a bad thing, but these are plays indicative on a 1oa player
Why is his conditioning getting worse and not better. If he came to camp in meh shape after a little playoff success then that is entirely on him and indicative of his lack of maturity. There is a narrative starting around him with immaturity, but he has done nothing to fight back about it or disprove it. At this point he has taken the positive energy and benefit of all doubts from this fan base and turned it against himself. I have not been a fan of the idea of a move but I really am starting to wonder if the pressure of the 1oa in NYC is too much for this kid.
Because he was the only player that missed a lot of hockey due to COVID.
2-3 years ago.
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Could have had Stutzle. So depressing.
Right, the last point highlights an important distinction. If that is the case, then the kid needs a fire lit under his ass and hopefully it clicks during the historically important 4th season, which is when many young players really break out. What you don’t want is that fire being lit and him figuring it out somewhere else.
However, if it is indeed a total lack of NHL skills thing, then it won’t matter where he goes. I still believe it is the former. I keep going back to why our Dmen develop so fast and why our forwards so slowly. The D opportunity was always there for them, as Quinn and now GG had few to no vet options to lean on. It’s the opposite at forward, so it’s no surprise the forward development is coming at a snails pace.
But the point is not to have him play on the PP to "pad his stats", it's not about "effectiveness" or even winning games as first priority. It's about building up a young player and give him confidence and help him become the best player he can be, which would help the Rangers tremendously in the long run. But in Ranger land such forward thinking is blasphemy as Gallant clearly stated. So here we are.
Not elite, but Rangers did develop and draft Kreider and Chytil is looking alright if he can stay healthy. Lafrenierre the McIlrath of the NHL draft
ReddestRum
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Don't say that name in this thread. According to a few here, he's overrated and not worth the mention.
I feel like that number has been going up every year. Before we know it it'll be the all important 10th season.
Because passing for 2 minutes straight on the PP and not shooting is going to help him develop.
But yeah I get your point.
Although people were saying that he had shit line mates - among other things - which is why he wasn't playing well.
Then gets bumped up and it's still practically the same thing.
Even if he were to get PP time and did jack all, fans would then just find some other excuse as to why he's crap.
Like "We over played him on the PP, so now he's tired for the rest of the game."
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