Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

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That’s fair, but we already scratched him. If it’s really a conditioning issue (maybe he was too full of himself after a great PO run and slacked off), then it’s unfortunately going to take until the offseason to fix.
the offseason? the scratch? the phuck? maybe you should see if he needs a public relations agent - you are absolutely perfect for that position.

the scratch - maybe this happened because he did stuff during practice that just flat out sucked?

the offseason - this is his 3rd season in the league already. he should know by now how grueling a regular season can be. especially after a regular season last year with the playoffs.
 
At some point everyone here was labelling Chytil and KK busts too and wanting to trade them...thankfully none of you manage the team.I'm not giving up on him yet,the talent is there

Where? I’m not giving up on him - he definitely may be a 60 point guy with an edge and some agitator qualities when he’s 25. That would still be very disappointing for his draft hype and the top pick, but it’s also still a good player. Maybe a late blooming Landeskog-lite. But right now, what makes you (or anyone who is echoing) say that? Where is the talent? When have we seen it? What are three examples, in his entire career, of 1OA talent? If he adjust his game, improves his quickness and gains enough experience to be more decisive, he could be something like Zach Hyman? Good player. Not a player you’d ever think was a top pick. Right now, he looks like Warren Foegele. I don’t see talent. If they played in blank jerseys, I wouldn’t know whether it was Laf or Blais or Vesey or Goodrow at any given moment.
 
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How does this trade help the Rangers?

This years draft is solid. Could get a good player out of it and another 3 years of elc. Problem is it doesn’t help us win now.

Plan should be to win now. So if we were to trade laf can we get him in a package for Meier or Chych? Who knows. I’d prefer that but I see those deals as less likely due to cap space.
 
If Lafreniere is a bust they might as well tear it down and go back into the lottery. Keep Fox Chytil and Kakko, trade anything else not nailed down and that includes Shesterkin.
Since that should be our plan, it should be 25+ teams plan and since it should be 25+ teams plan, we should just take all there stuff that isn't nailed down and go for the cup.
 
This years draft is solid. Could get a good player out of it and another 3 years of elc. Problem is it doesn’t help us win now.

Plan should be to win now. So if we were to trade laf can we get him in a package for Meier or Chych? Who knows. I’d prefer that but I see those deals as less likely due to cap space.
Why would you trade a Laf, a young, developing top prospect, for a guy to help “win now” who we can’t afford or whose contract will cost us other players on the roster? There’s 0 reason to trade Laf for the chance to draft a guy who will be a 3C in 2026. Not at that point or need yet
 
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Why would you trade a Laf, a young, developing top prospect, for a guy to help “win now” who we can’t afford or whose contract will cost us other players on the roster? There’s 0 reason to trade Laf for the chance to draft a guy who will be a 3C in 2026. Not at that point or need yet

That’s why I said those deals are unlikely, as nice as they could be. Though I don’t mind trading a roster player for either of those 2. Both are serious needs on this team.

We have to stop considering Laf a top prospect. Look at his pre draft videos and tell me 2 stuff you see from those videos that he shows today. I understand Gallant won’t give him pp time and he’s underused but that’s partly on the player.

Why are you assuming he will be a 3C? This is a strong draft and panthers pick will prob be top 12. No theres no need but honestly he hasent shown me anything yet to make me think in a couple years he will be worth a 1st. If we can get a high 1st for him now I’d take it. He’s easily replaceable atm

i'm wondering if there are people out here and the l.a. kings board that would trade stoots for both laffy and byfield.

Im bias cuz I’m a Stutzle fan but I’d be laughing taking that deal to get him here.

If Stutzle was on this team last off-season he’d take trochecks place and we could’ve spent $ on a RW. That would be a scary f***ing team
 
explain to me how his primary assist to vesey today wasn't a beauty.
everyone in here is just getting high on piling on a player who is surely struggling as of late, but when good plays are made they are just handwaved away as luck or that he isn't good enough for his 1oa status.
Overall Laf had a good game up until the end. I really liked his chance in the third (and didn't he get tripped on the follow through?) but alas he didn't get the goal. For all the doomers, remember a few games ago when Kakko made a terrible giveaway? Well what happened afterwards? He was put back out there and he improved, and wouldn't you know, he's been on a tear ever since.
You play the kids, you let the fail, you watch them learn. Laf can watch the tape and improve. This is how you get better.
I mean, there are people in here convinced that Laf has never shown any talent. Somebody unironically saying he is the "Mcillrath" of his draft class. That's cringe exaggeration that I would expect from Penguins fans, and for what it's worth, I think Laf is having an overall bad year and agree that he should play better, but giving up on him now is not at all what we should be doing.
You say Laf is having a bad year, which would imply he’s ever had a good year. Anyone can pull a nice assist out of their ass from time to time. There is no evidence or consistency to show that he has any replicable elite NHL level trait. He beat up the Q, the skills have not translated. Let’s not pretend otherwise
 
That’s why I said those deals are unlikely, as nice as they could be. Though I don’t mind trading a roster player for either of those 2. Both are serious needs on this team.

We have to stop considering Laf a top prospect. Look at his pre draft videos and tell me 2 stuff you see from those videos that he shows today. I understand Gallant won’t give him pp time and he’s underused but that’s partly on the player.

Why are you assuming he will be a 3C? This is a strong draft and panthers pick will prob be top 12. No theres no need but honestly he hasent shown me anything yet to make me think in a couple years he will be worth a 1st. If we can get a high 1st for him now I’d take it. He’s easily replaceable atm



Im bias cuz I’m a Stutzle fan but I’d be laughing taking that deal to get him here.

If Stutzle was on this team last off-season he’d take trochecks place and we could’ve spent $ on a RW. That would be a scary f***ing team

This is just wildly crazy. I can’t believe you’re expecting me to respond to this legitimately lol. He was drafted 1st overall 2 years ago….

The second bold - what makes you think anyone the Rangers draft will get any opportunities to play beyond the 11-12 mins Laf is currently getting? They’re gonna come in and play PP1 after being drafted 15th overall or whatever 3 years from now lol that’s rich
 
This is just wildly crazy. I can’t believe you’re expecting me to respond to this legitimately lol. He was drafted 1st overall 2 years ago….

The second bold - what makes you think anyone the Rangers draft will get any opportunities to play beyond the 11-12 mins Laf is currently getting? They’re gonna come in and play PP1 after being drafted 15th overall or whatever 3 years from now lol that’s rich

Ok if it’s crazy then answer my simple question. Saying “that’s crazy” is a dumb out, if I’m so wrong embarrass me and prove me wrong. Tell me the skills he possesses now that he’s shows in his pre draft videos. Tell me what he’s brought over to the nhl. The minutes are irrelevant, tell me what he’s done. Saying “he was drafted 1st” doesn’t mean shit

The player drafted would be a future move to stay competitive. Obviously not a move to improve the team not idk how that’s not common sense. After 2 years in the NHL yeah I’d hope he’s on pp1
 
Where? I’m not giving up on him - he definitely may be a 60 point guy with an edge and some agitator qualities when he’s 25. That would still be very disappointing for his draft hype and the top pick, but it’s also still a good player. Maybe a late blooming Landeskog-lite. But right now, what makes you (or anyone who is echoing) say that? Where is the talent? When have we seen it? What are three examples, in his entire career, of 1OA talent? If he adjust his game, improves his quickness and gains enough experience to be more decisive, he could be something like Zach Hyman? Good player. Not a player you’d ever think was a top pick. Right now, he looks like Warren Foegele. I don’t see talent. If they played in blank jerseys, I wouldn’t know whether it was Laf or Blais or Vesey or Goodrow at any given moment.
You don't score 19 even strength goals in a year with bottom 6 minutes and minimal pp time without talent
 
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You don't score 19 even strength goals in a year with bottom 6 minutes and minimal pp time without talent

I think he’d strive on the Sharks and Yotes. Give him a year or 2 playing pp1 and top minutes. I’d love to see it. Unfortunately can’t see it here
 
Stutzle being flashier and showing up on social media more (and being hyped in a Canadian market) explains a ton of this perception gap.

There's also, you know, the 58 point season he had last year that Lafreniere can't sniff.

You don't score 19 even strength goals in a year with bottom 6 minutes and minimal pp time without talent

Where's that talent this year? He hasn't scored a goal in over a month and has 5 through half the season.
 
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You can’t give up on Laf yet but he is cruising to be one of the lowest paid first overall picks in recent NHL history. Maybe the Rangers offer him a bridge deal but certainly no major payday coming for Laf. He’s gonna get the “prove it” treatment for sure.
 
There's also, you know, the 58 point season he had last year that Lafreniere can't sniff.



Where's that talent this year? He hasn't scored a goal in over a month and has 5 through half the season.
The talent is still there you don't magically just lose it overnight.He's obviously struggling and lacking confidence right now and its showing.
 
Habs fan seem like the only ones who want to give a 1st for him lol



I think that’s beneath any NHL player
Adam Fox forced his way here before he was an NHL player. Maybe Lafy is playing like crap on purpose. unless he thinks he sucks and lacks confidence
 
You don't score 19 even strength goals in a year with bottom 6 minutes and minimal pp time without talent

But the idea that he ONLY plays bottom six minutes is a fabrication. He AVERAGES bottom six minutes. He has had plenty of opportunities with non-bottom six players. Moreover, Hagel, Sherangovich, Neidereitter, Colton, Jeannot, Debrusk, Danault, Verhaege all scored move EV goals than Laf last year and they’re not some high end offensive superstars. Ryan Hartman had 33 EV goals. Laf averaged 14 minutes per game. Colton averaged barely over 12 minutes per game, Hagel averaged under 14 with Tampa, about 17 with Chicago, Jeannott averaged under 16, Sherangovich under 16, Neiderreiter under 15, Verhaege 16 on the nose, Debrusk 15 on the nose. Hartman’s previous career high was 31 points before 33 EV goals.

None of these guys is expected to become point per game players. Laf averaged 14 last year, he’s just under 15 this year. Hanging on to “19 EV goals” as proof of his superstar talent lurking beneath the surface is bogus. I asked where we see the talent. Why is Ross Colton in 12 minutes per game scoring more EV goals than Laf in 14? Which of those guys has a 70 point season in their future? They all had 20+ EV goals last year.
 
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