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Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

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Pawnee Rangers said:
Man, I sure hope Laff isn’t as mentally fragile as some posters here. It’s Gallants fault, it’s Drurys fault, it’s Dolan and Sathers fault, it’s Zib, Panarin, and Kreider fault. Everyone is to blame except for the player. Ya’ll are bitching about development so here it is, a big ass dose of development watching from the press box.

It’s astounding that so many people think the answer to the problem is giving a kid who isn’t doing anything with the ice time he gets, more ice time. He needs to wake up, figure it out and make the most of whatever ice he gets.
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Bald bitch everyone jerking off too stepan was getting pp1 time. Wonder what sort of development stepan had to be a perennial 30 pt even strength player. What a player.
 
5 on 5 scoring is tough, wouldn’t be surprised if Laf and or Kakko ask out after their second contracts if PP time never comes for them.

They have no shot of making any money as an RFA not putting up points.
 
duhmetreE said:
Player A - 36g - 4g - 10a - 14pts
Player B - 36g - 5g - 9a - 14pts

I’ll hold the vets accountable before I hold a kid. That’s just me though

He can be better, there’s no doubt… come with the same energy to the vets getting paid millions with experience.

Hypocrites and double standards ( talking about the coaching staff )
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Am I going to need to guess who the other player is? Why not just use names?
 
DanielBrassard said:
I don't think anyone is expecting him to be a PPG player, how about just showing why you went first overall once in a while? That doesn't seem like too high of a bar.
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i dunno i thought he made two really nice passes to set up scoring chances in the last game. it would be nice if he was a little more flashy though.
 
DanielBrassard said:
I don't think anyone is expecting him to be a PPG player, how about just showing why you went first overall once in a while? That doesn't seem like too high of a bar.
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Don't bother. I have no problem with huffing copium when it comes to this shit org and it's young forwards but they know no one is asking for that, it's just that lies like this are much easier to attack.
 
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An NHL player that can pass a puck...

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He is guaranteed his 10 million.
 
DanielBrassard said:
He made one to Miller off of a set faceoff play, what was the other one?
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This is part of the problem no? We'd need to check the game film to confirm Lafreniere made a second good play lol. Personally, I notice the laziness is the neutral and d zones far more than I notice him making a play offensively.

He probably will be fine in the long run because we kinda went through this with Chytil & Kakko, but he hasnt been nearly good enough for his pedigree and that is what matters. A healthy scratch isnt going to ruin his career and if it does, it wasnt going to work out anyway.
 
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McRanger92 said:
This is part of the problem no? We'd need to check the game film to confirm Lafreniere made a second good play lol. Personally, I notice the laziness is the neutral and d zones far more than I notice him making a play offensively.

He probably will be fine in the long run because we kinda went through this with Chytil & Kakko, but he hasnt been nearly good enough for his pedigree and that is what matters. A healthy scratch isnt going to ruin his career and if it does, it wasnt going to work out anyway.
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Yeah that is a huge problem. It's why he's being scratched. Anyone who's honest knows that when Lafreniere is playing you don't really notice him. That's not going to fly and that's why he's being scratched again in his D+3 as a #1 overall. People talk all day about development, well his skating was poor when he was drafted and it still is now. Where is the urgency on his part to develop his skating? That's a huge hindrance for him and he's still the same skater as he has been. If you (not you just in general) want to say there's only so much you can do to improve skating at his point in his career then you have to shift expectations on what he could potentially be.
 
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DanielBrassard said:
Yeah that is a huge problem. It's why he's being scratched. Anyone who's honest knows that when Lafreniere is playing you don't really notice him. That's not going to fly and that's why he's being scratched again in his D+3 as a #1 overall. People talk all day about development, well his skating was poor when he was drafted and it still is now. Where is the urgency on his part to develop his skating? That's a huge hindrance for him and he's still the same skater as he has been. If you (not you just in general) want to say there's only so much you can do to improve skating at his point in his career then you have to shift expectations on what he could potentially be.
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GG and Drury to blame by not spotting him the weight room or holding the rope to develop his power skating. Goddamn this organization.
 
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Raspewtin said:
Don't bother. I have no problem with huffing copium when it comes to this shit org and it's young forwards but they know no one is asking for that, it's just that lies like this are much easier to attack.
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That is true but also @SA16 and I and probably others have been saying for a while now that it's not even about the point totals. Points can be misleading or random at times, where is the elite skillset? Where is the flash? Where are the hands, the vision, the dangles? People can talk about how Laf is comparable to Stutzle or whatever in 5v5 prouction but if you actually take an objective look at each player when they are on the ice, one is vastly superior in all facets of the game that involve playing with the puck than the other. It's obvious and you are not being real if you say otherwise.
 
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bbny said:
“Alexis Lafrenière and the Rangers reach a critical point”

theathletic.com

Alexis Lafrenière and the Rangers reach a critical point

This isn't the first time Gerard Gallant has tried to send a message to Alexis Lafrenière.
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I don’t want to paste too much since it’s paywalled.

Listen, time to wake up and smell the coffee - for fans in denial and for Lafreniere. He hasn’t been near good enough. 3 years and he hasn’t gotten any stronger, improved conditioning, improved skating. That’s all stuff that you don’t need PP minutes for to accomplish.
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Its pretty disingenuous to try and say 3 years with a straight face.
 
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Playing with fire with the kids again. Laf had a pretty good December. The entire team shits the bed and he gets singled out (just like Kakko in the playoffs). On top of that, you can add the line yo-yo-ing and comments like the one from GG about how the guys on PP1, despite playing like shit for an extended period of time, are "too good to be pulled off" the top unit. If you're a young player, and you see that your leash is literally one bad game, and your coach is telling the media that you will never have a shot at the top PP unit (which, because of usage, basically means you won't have any PP time), are you going to want to stay here?

With the Rangers' cap situation, it would not take a huge offer sheet to put him out of fiscal reach. I'd be surprised if Montreal didn't have one already drawn up. If Montreal offers him $4.2m, would the Rangers even be able to match it and still re-sign Miller and Chytil? That would only cost the Habs a 2nd rounder.

They need a better system and a coach willing to build TWO PP units (one led by Fox and another led by Panarin). The latter was unrealistic last year when the PP was so lethal. The book seems to be out on that group this year though. Not only are they not as lethal, but they have too many games where the best chances on our PP are for the PKing team. I'd want to see a Fox/Zib/Kreider/Chytil/Kakko PP1 and a Trocheck/Panarin/Miller/Laf/Kravtsov PP2. Whichever group is most rested at the time of the PP gets the first roll. Ride the hot unit on a game per game basis.
 
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Riche16 said:
He deserves the health scratch
It’s time for him to get his ass in gear or he’ll be gone soon (a yr or so)
He’ll get dealt and light the world on fire elsewhere I suppose
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Again.. Gallant and Drury will be long gone before he will
 
DanielBrassard said:
People can talk about how Laf is comparable to Stutzle or whatever in 5v5 prouction but if you actually take an objective look at each player when they are on the ice, one is vastly superior in all facets of the game that involve playing with the puck than the other. It's obvious and you are not being real if you say otherwise.
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Pretty much this. Stutzle is absolutely electric when carrying the puck up the ice on the rush during 5v5. His skating and puck control are world-class elite.

Since being moved to center hes been in a completely different tier of player than Laffreniere is. Now its literally like comparing a dominant first liner to a role playing third liner - if you watch them play there is massive gap between them in terms of skill and their ability to make an impact. Its undeniable.
 
DanielBrassard said:
That is true but also @SA16 and I and probably others have been saying for a while now that it's not even about the point totals. Points can be misleading or random at times, where is the elite skillset? Where is the flash? Where are the hands, the vision, the dangles? People can talk about how Laf is comparable to Stutzle or whatever in 5v5 prouction but if you actually take an objective look at each player when they are on the ice, one is vastly superior in all facets of the game that involve playing with the puck than the other. It's obvious and you are not being real if you say otherwise.
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There's an irony in using SA16 to make this point.

Lafreniere deserves to be scratched and I'm hopeful it will do him good. The one legit criticism I heard about him predaft was his attitude and engagement. At this level, with his usage, it's a must that he at least improve that. OTOH talk of his busting is not only premature, it's just wrong--the kid has been a serviceable 3rd liner since he was 18. (Of course, people can call that a bust--I don't.)

As far as the flashes go, it's just not a worthwhile conversation to have for the reasons you and SA16 (among others) point out often on these boards. Very subjective. If you ask edjovo, Kravtsov has 'flashed' elite skill frequently this year. I'd disagree.
 
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Samsquanch said:
Pretty much this. Stutzle is absolutely electric when carrying the puck up the ice on the rush during 5v5. His skating and puck control are world-class elite.

Since being moved to center hes been in a completely different tier of player than Laffreniere is. Now its literally like comparing a dominant first liner to a role playing third liner - if you watch them play there is massive gap between them in terms of skill and their ability to make an impact. Its undeniable.
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What would you attribute that to? When Lafreniere was in junior he was the best player in the world for his draft year. One got opportunity and the rope to make and learn from mistakes, the other gets scratched when the entire team is garbage.
 
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