Lol who would you have drafted instead of Lafreniere and Kakko? They were no brainer consensus picks that every single GM in the league would have made at the timesure... and Kravstov sucks, Kaapo sucks (hes great now), Chytil sucks, Gauthier sucks, Lias Andersson sucked, Lindqvist, Zach Jones... Next will be Othmann, Cuylle...
A 5yr rebuild, and they bring in coach that rides his 5 veteran players every night... because they need to "win"
It's time to realize this organization isn't very good a drafting and developing talent, they have no gameplan in how to construct a SC winning team.
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KirkAlbuquerque
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lol Rangers fans are so brainwashed by Rongo propaganda they always blame the player first instead of the organization even though its painfully obvious who is really at fault.
NikC
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maybe you should read the post i responded to first... then you should understand i was being sarcastic...
see how that works?
Megustaelhockey
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Do you think he'd be Matthews or MacKinnon on another team? Any team would have chosen him at #1, and he has proven himself not to be up to NHL caliber.
I know people love to hamper on how there’s a deep rooted organizational issue in developing talent, but I just don’t think it goes that deep, esp since there are so few people even left from years past. It’s simply a roster construction issue. We have vets at forward every coach would lean on and had almost none on D.
What coach would’ve leaned on Lindgren, Fox and Miller in the top 4 for the last 3 years if they had other options? Those kids took the ball and ran with it. It’s the exact opposite issue at forward, compounded by the fact that we have too much redundancy (too many slow footed Ws).
Laf is behind in his development compared to other 1OAs for a simple reason. He’s being developed unlike any other 1OA in the history of the game. He could still be a bust, but if given the normal opportunity provided to a 1OA, we’d know the answer a lot sooner. Here, it’s just going to take a lot longer to get our answer.
What coach would’ve leaned on Lindgren, Fox and Miller in the top 4 for the last 3 years if they had other options? Those kids took the ball and ran with it. It’s the exact opposite issue at forward, compounded by the fact that we have too much redundancy (too many slow footed Ws).
Laf is behind in his development compared to other 1OAs for a simple reason. He’s being developed unlike any other 1OA in the history of the game. He could still be a bust, but if given the normal opportunity provided to a 1OA, we’d know the answer a lot sooner. Here, it’s just going to take a lot longer to get our answer.
KirkAlbuquerque
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ReddestRum
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HatTrick Swayze
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Can't say I fully agree with this. Miller has had plenty of really rough nights over the years. Poor decisions that cost the NYR goals and games. This would be the equivalent of scratching Miller for Bitteto or Tinordi. Something that to my recollection, never happened. He was stapled to Trouba almost exclusively on the 2nd pair his entire career.
The standard isn't the standard for everyone. And when the results are being a bottom 5-10 team in the league at developing elite forward talent, I can't take hearing the usual party line.
ReddestRum
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Didn't say anything about putting Laf on our PP. I'm saying that if he didn't go to a team with 2 top line LWs and got the ice time and a PP role he'd be a 50-60 point player right now and the narrative that he sucks wouldn't exist. That's what your average top 6 player looks like frankly. When Kreider was a 50 point player he'd have stretches where he'd completely dissappear and look awful. Laf has had plenty of shitty games, invisible games, he's also had games where he's looked good, that's how average top 6 guys play. The players that can do it consistently every single night are stars. He's not there yet
You’re 100% correct. Lindgren has as well at times. You also proved my point. Were those kids benched? Were the pairs broken up? No, they were allowed to work through it, out of necessity. The coaches had no vet options. That’s the exact opposite problem at forward, except Kakko and Laf couldnt even start at a high point (top PP time, sheltered mins w/ 70% OZ starts).
In a different world, McD is still here and Panarin is not, then we could easily be saying Laf is looking good w/ the sheltered mins that Panarin gets and Miller and Lindgren are rotating healthy scratches. Opportunity is everything in hockey. Even for vets, nevermind 20y olds.
Shesterkybomb
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This should be good for Blais development
Raspewtin
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I don't think he'd be either of those players but honestly I strongly, strongly doubt he wouldn't have been better somewhere else.
This organization never, ever deserves the benefit of the doubt on talented players not succeeding.
Shesterkybomb
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OthmannOut
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Too lazy to go through the post histories of the doomers but guarantee they were calling for Chytil to be traded in the past.
Laffy ES numbers are great considering his time on ice. This PP numbers are terrible, but we all know that the first powerplay has generally stayed out for 75% of the time, if not longer. Scratching him may light a fire. If this goes longer than one game because we win I will be irate, however. So I imagine Blais scores two tonight and Laf sits for the next three games.
Laffy ES numbers are great considering his time on ice. This PP numbers are terrible, but we all know that the first powerplay has generally stayed out for 75% of the time, if not longer. Scratching him may light a fire. If this goes longer than one game because we win I will be irate, however. So I imagine Blais scores two tonight and Laf sits for the next three games.
mrmovies779
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Sometimes a game off in the press box can do wonders for a kid.Rest your mind for a game and when you get back in,show them they made a mistake scratching you.Ball is in your court kid,time to do something with it
I'm not agreeing with the guy you responded to necessarily, but I'd say to this question, no. Otoh, would he be comparable to Stutzle or better? I think that's pretty believable. Even this year he's outscoring Stutzle at 5v5 both in totals and per 60mins. And he's pretty much matched or bettered stutzles 5v5 play through their whole careers.
That’s the point. He hasn’t developed here and he also hasn’t been given the opportunities of other high end draft picks. He should want to go somewhere he can grow his game.
UnSandvich
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Honestly, timing isn’t even the biggest issue for PP2. It’s that they almost never start their shift in the O Zone on a faceoff. If they got less on the fly starts and more O zone starts, they’d look much better bc they’re not needing to gain the zone before starting the cycle.
Also running the PP2 through Jones would probably lead to a significant improvement compared to Trouba, bc like Fox Jones is looking to make plays rather than just get the puck towards the net
Raspewtin
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This is an understatement. Trouba is one of the worst PP defensemen in the league. Everything he does on it is bad.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
also their PPQB is f***ing Trouba. Get a couple kids on with Fox and Panarin and they all of a sudden I guarantee you it looks like they're good on the PP. If our coach wasn't a blockhead he would drop Kreider and/or Trochek and put Kakko and maybe Laf or Krav or Chtyil on PP1 with Zib - Fox - Panarin, and both they and our PP1 would be a lot better. But no can't do that because Kreider was good last year on the PP and Trochek is 29 so he must be given all the minutes.
And you can go one step further. Go take a look at the overall zone usage of other prospects around the league. Not only top PP time, but 70-75% OZ starts. Only one person on our team gets sheltered like that. Panarin. The kids usage has been more like 55-60% OZ. That’s 2nd/3rd line 2 way veteran type allocation.
Rangers in 7
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Trouba is the biggest weakness on PP2. Watch him, everytime he gets the puck all he’s looking to do is get it on net. He winds up and is looking for screens. There is no attempt to make a play with the puck to find an open man
Using Fox for the full 2mins is such a no brainer. So much of Zib and Panarin’s statistical success comes mostly (not entirely, but mostly) from playing on a PP w/ Fox.
Chytil is already on pace for 50 ES pts over 82gp (similar to Panarin). He’s easily a 70p player on that top PP unit w/ Fox, where Panarin is a 90p player. Are we yelling about Chytil’s development if he puts up 70?
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