Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

[zlev]

Too lazy to go through the post histories of the doomers but guarantee they were calling for Chytil to be traded in the past.

yep. this forum as recently as last spring was extremely disappointed with Chytil. "bust", "this is just what he is", "barely a 3C", "another 1st round pick wasted". now he's the best 5v5 forward on the team.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Trouba is the biggest weakness on PP2. Watch him, everytime he gets the puck all he’s looking to do is get it on net. He winds up and is looking for screens. There is no attempt to make a play with the puck to find an open man

. Schneider or Miller should be given the opportunity on that unit in lieu.

Side note: GG is a clown.

 

[TheDirtyH]

This is an understatement. Trouba is one of the worst PP defensemen in the league. Everything he does on it is bad.

Yeah it's the equivalent of jagr stick handling with weights on his stick to train.

 

[ReddestRum]

Why does it keep needing to be said that players are ultimately in charge of their own development. Most have their own development coaches in which a lot of players of different teams train under the same coaches during the off-season. Players don't generally move from average to elite in the middle of the season, but the jump in production comes after improving themselves in the off-season, and not necessarily after they put up 2 assists in a random game while being carried by vets.

I don't understand why only our prospects are exempt from the rules of self-improvement as is what is expected of every athlete, in every sport. It's not even that some of you guys are saying that the organization should shoulder some of the blame in Laf's development (I absolutely think they do), but that you guys are content to completely, 100% absolve Laf of his responsibility to get better himself and lay the entire blame on the organization. Kakko has gotten better. Chytil has gotten better. You can actually see it from the way they play and they are held to the same standards (and are more deserved of the TOI that some of you keep crying to give to an underpowered Laf).

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see this. Even more-so when guys swear up and down that he'd be a 50-60 point player (60 points, really?) and try to back up conjecture with advanced stats that amount to nothing, really. Advanced stats that make the cope better to swallow in blowout losses that don't matter because it's still a loss. 5v5 EV specialist? Okay?? Sure?? And then look to compare him with players that back up their skill with actual production (And then go on to say that he's better in some meaningless way).

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hope he demands a trade. Rangers brass needs to be publicly embarassed for their incompetence.

Gallant will be gone long before Lafreniere, Drury too

 

[Rangers in 7]

Why does it keep needing to be said that players are ultimately in charge of their own development. Most have their own development coaches in which a lot of players of different teams train under the same coaches during the off-season. Players don't generally move from average to elite in the middle of the season, but the jump in production comes after improving themselves in the off-season, and not necessarily after they put up 2 assists in a random game while being carried by vets.

I don't understand why only our prospects are exempt from the rules of self-improvement as is what is expected of every athlete, in every sport. It's not even that some of you guys are saying that the organization should shoulder some of the blame in Laf's development (I absolutely think they do), but that you guys are content to completely, 100% absolve Laf of his responsibility to get better himself and lay the entire blame on the organization. Kakko has gotten better. Chytil has gotten better. You can actually see it from the way they play and they are held to the same standards (and are more deserved of the TOI that some of you keep crying to give to an underpowered Laf).

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see this. Even more-so when guys swear up and down that he'd be a 50-60 point player (60 points, really?) and try to back up conjecture with advanced stats that amount to nothing, really. Advanced stats that make the cope better to swallow in blowout losses that don't matter because it's still a loss. 5v5 EV specialist? Okay?? Sure?? And then look to compare him with players that back up their skill with actual production (And then go on to say that he's better in some meaningless way).

Just answer this question. Do you think stutzle has become a star? He’s averaging a point per game right now.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Gallant will be gone long before Lafreniere, Drury too

I’d like to believe that but I doubt either are gong anywhere soon

 

[bbny]

“Alexis Lafrenière and the Rangers reach a critical point”

Alexis Lafrenière and the Rangers reach a critical point

This isn't the first time Gerard Gallant has tried to send a message to Alexis Lafrenière.

theathletic.com

Now 36 games into his third season, the team and the league are still waiting.

“He doesn’t seem to accomplish much out there with or without the puck,” said one NHL scout whose coverage area includes the Rangers. “When you watch him play it’s hard to find him out there, has little impact on the outcome. I don’t know if it’s lack of confidence but his processing seems a little bit of a step behind.”

“When you watch (Ottawa) play, you notice (Stützle,)” said an Eastern Conference executive who was granted anonymity because he’s not authorized to comment publicly on other teams’ players. “Can’t say the same about (Lafrenière).”

I don’t want to paste too much since it’s paywalled.

Listen, time to wake up and smell the coffee - for fans in denial and for Lafreniere. He hasn’t been near good enough. 3 years and he hasn’t gotten any stronger, improved conditioning, improved skating. That’s all stuff that you don’t need PP minutes for to accomplish.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I’d like to believe that but I doubt either are gong anywhere soon

While I agree GG will be gone, I don't think Drury goes until Sather decides he's gone...and I don't see that happening.

 

[zlev]

yeah you really do notice Stutzle more. by how many goals against he's on the ice for.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

yeah you really do notice Stutzle more. by how many goals against he's on the ice for.

Or the extra time on the ice he gets in all situations.

 

[ReddestRum]

Just answer this question. Do you think stutzle has become a star? He’s averaging a point per game right now.

I don't think he's a star per say, but he's one of those players that's always being talked about on his team as far as league chat goes. I think he can be a defensive liability for sure, but he's got great offensive IQ (for a 20 YO). He's not an average 3rd liner if that's what you're asking. He excels on the PP with space/time and has taken the reigns to basically become the guy that drives the PP.

 

[ReddestRum]

yeah you really do notice Stutzle more. by how many goals against he's on the ice for.

Ah! I see! So when it's another younger player on another team, he's responsible for his own game now, eh? It's easy to see his shortcomings, right? Does he also not get the benefit of the doubt that he can improve like Laf because he's still young? His organization is not developing his defensive game enough? No?

 

[bigdog16]

They still are, its the development side that is the problem.

"Development" is the biggest scapegoat this fanbase uses for failure. "Development" is 90% on the player, not the organization. Do we really think a lack of PP time is the reason Laf looks like a lost puppy a majority of the time? Laf and Kakko have done NOTHING in their career that warrants them a look in the top 6. Why are we not bitching about Chytil, Schneider, K'Andre, who all seem to be developing *just fine*. How about some accountability?

 

[McRanger92]

Lafreniere needs to take his shit more seriously, thats my take. Hate on Gallant all you want (I certainly am not a fan) but its not his fault that Laf is lazy away from the puck and soft with it.

Also the "Rangers organization cant develop forwards" narrative is sooo tired. Chytil & Kakko look pretty f***ing good to me. As for the "busts" Kravtsov put himself behind the 8 ball and Lias Andersson wouldve been shit no matter who drafted him.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

"Development" is the biggest scapegoat this fanbase uses for failure. "Development" is 90% on the player, not the organization. Do we really think a lack of PP time is the reason Laf looks like a lost puppy a majority of the time? Laf and Kakko have done NOTHING in their career that warrants them a look in the top 6. Why are we not bitching about Chytil, Schneider, K'Andre, who all seem to be developing *just fine*. How about some accountability?

some horrendous takes here

 

[Rangers in 7]

I don't think he's a star per se, but he's one of those players that's always being talked about on his team as far as league chat goes. I think he can be a defensive liability for sure, but he's got great offensive IQ (for a 20 YO). He's not an average 3rd liner if that's what you're asking. He excels on the PP with space/time and has taken the reigns to basically become the guy that drives the PP.

You do know that laf has outperformed stutzle at 5 v 5 right? With WAYYY less ice time

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Lafreniere needs to take his shit more seriously, thats my take. Hate on Gallant all you want (I certainly am not a fan) but its not his fault that Laf is lazy away from the puck and soft with it.

Also the "Rangers organization cant develop forwards" narrative is sooo tired. Chytil & Kakko look pretty f***ing good to me. As for the "busts" Kravtsov put himself behind the 8 ball and Lias Andersson wouldve been shit no matter who drafted him.

i agree, just look at the long, illustrious list of great forwards the Rangers have developed over their 100 year history, i don't think HFboards post length limit would allow it

 

[Raspewtin]

Lafreniere needs to take his shit more seriously, thats my take. Hate on Gallant all you want (I certainly am not a fan) but its not his fault that Laf is lazy away from the puck and soft with it.

Also the "Rangers organization cant develop forwards" narrative is sooo tired. Chytil & Kakko look pretty f***ing good to me. As for the "busts" Kravtsov put himself behind the 8 ball and Lias Andersson wouldve been shit no matter who drafted him.

This is the hardest hitting cope ever. Kakko is less than half a PPG player. Looking good stops mattering at some point.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Man, I sure hope Laff isn’t as mentally fragile as some posters here. It’s Gallants fault, it’s Drurys fault, it’s Dolan and Sathers fault, it’s Zib, Panarin, and Kreider fault. Everyone is to blame except for the player. Ya’ll are bitching about development so here it is, a big ass dose of development watching from the press box.

It’s astounding that so many people think the answer to the problem is giving a kid who isn’t doing anything with the ice time he gets, more ice time. He needs to wake up, figure it out and make the most of whatever ice he gets.

 

[LORDE]

He deserves the health scratch
It’s time for him to get his ass in gear or he’ll be gone soon (a yr or so)
He’ll get dealt and light the world on fire elsewhere I suppose

 

[ReddestRum]

Brehs, it's okay to realize that our top picks are just average dudes. Happens, lol. People here acting like they've never seen high picks that are just extraordinarily ordinary. You guys are the same people that will turn around and point the finger at another player for being mediocre if they were on another team.

Shit happens. Just look at the Oilers. LOL. 4 #1's in 6 years and they continue to be somewhat of an average team.

They lucked out with McJesus though. I'm sure it was all the Oiler's organization developing him at 18 so he'd have a 50-point rookie year and a 100-point follow up. All them! Had nothing to do with his skill. Oilers org geniuses at developing him and can take all the credit for the player he is today........................

 

[McRanger92]

This is the hardest hitting cope ever. Kakko is less than half a PPG player. Looking good stops mattering at some point.

Compared to Lafreniere who is less than half a PPG player who never looks good? And ive been a diehard fan since 2005 and the Rangers have had more than their fair share of homegrown forwards come through their system and have long NHL careers. The only cope is the excuses our own fans make to take credit away from the organization when a player pans out. The insecurity is frankly embarrassing.

And people really think Kreider or Panarin should be scratched over Lafreniere after a bad game by the team need to grow up and join us in reality. The Rebuild Letter really warped the fanbase beyond repair

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Compared to Lafreniere who is less than half a PPG player who never looks good? And ive been a diehard fan since 2005 and the Rangers have had more than their fair share of homegrown forwards come through their system and have long NHL careers. The only cope is the excuses our own fans make to take credit away from the organization when a player pans out. The insecurity is frankly embarrassing.

And people really think Kreider or Panarin should be scratched over Lafreniere after a bad game by the team need to grow up and join us in reality. The Rebuild Letter really warped the fanbase beyond repair

How many of them were playing well and putting up points at 21 aside from Stepan 13 years ago?

 

[McRanger92]

How many of them were playing well and putting up points at 21 aside from Stepan 13 years ago?

Probably none. Thats why im not one of the whiners here saying the Rangers cant develop forwards because their 22 year old's haven't become all-stars yet. The die isnt cast on these guys and anyone who thinks otherwise should stop worrying about what the main board has to say about our players. If only we couldve rebuilt like Buffalo or Ottawa we'd be in much better shape!