Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

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IF we move one of Laf or Kakko, you know the team is going to regret it when they predictably blow up on another squad. If we hold onto them its a 50/50 shot they wind up fulfilling their potential here. Maybe less the way its looking.

So either way we are f***ed
 
IF we move one of Laf or Kakko, you know the team is going to regret it when they predictably blow up on another squad. If we hold onto them its a 50/50 shot they wind up fulfilling their potential here. Maybe less the way its looking.

So either way we are f***ed
The Rangers botched this so bad. As soon as they won the Laf sweepstakes, they should have committed fully to the kids and started trading vets or letting them walk. At that point, you had back-to-back top picks and the sole focus should have been how do we develop Laf and Kakko into the next Crosby/Malkin or Toews/Kane. Three years later, the kids are still non-factors and appear to be flatlining.
 
The Rangers botched this so bad. As soon as they won the Laf sweepstakes, they should have committed fully to the kids and started trading vets or letting them walk. At that point, you had back-to-back top picks and the sole focus should have been how do we develop Laf and Kakko into the next Crosby/Malkin or Toews/Kane. Three years later, the kids are still non-factors and appear to be flatlining.
I still remember when Laf got drafted and Gorts was interviewed and asked about how they were going to handle the situation on LW with Panarin and Kreider, and they said they weren't worried about it. I remember at the time feeling that the team was being too nonchalant about a serious development roadblock, but I trusted that these "professionals" in charge knew what they were doing. That was a mistake.
 
The Rangers botched this so bad. As soon as they won the Laf sweepstakes, they should have committed fully to the kids and started trading vets or letting them walk. At that point, you had back-to-back top picks and the sole focus should have been how do we develop Laf and Kakko into the next Crosby/Malkin or Toews/Kane. Three years later, the kids are still non-factors and appear to be flatlining.
This is the half-assed rebuild that is becoming clearer in the rearview mirror by the day.

They sent out the letter, the fans bought in - but upper management didn't have enough patience in many regards to what I call "running through the bag". They pulled up after the Wilson incident which prompted Dolan to make an emotional decision that set them into a tailspin. Since then the roster has been engineered to win a Cup rather than to improve and focus on building the youth.

You could argue that last postseason's run was also damaging since it instilled some false-ish hopes. But regardless of beating a bunch of backups and getting insane play from Igor, I refuse to say that 20 playoff games in any fashion is a detriment to a young, building team. But lets not forget they brought in 4 very effective players to strengthen the depth and they all fit like a glove. This team is far removed from that and we knew it going in.

Whats happened this season has spiraled out of control. They arent this bad. We forget that even at the start of the year we were marveling at what could be. Miller was on his game, Fox was Fox, the kids were up high in the lineup. And of course you had Bread breading with 20+ points in the first 12 games, the PP and Mika were clicking. Then somewhere along the line Igor lost it and the team started letting up untimely goals, hitting posts and calling it bad luck.

This year they are finding ways to lose instead of finding ways to win. The reality is the team is somewhere in the middle of what we saw for the majority of last season vs what we are seeing now. And that team should be treated as such. Not a contender and looking to build the youth up for the future.

The problem is there are some stubborn, selfish decision makers who arent willing to look past themselves and their time here. Jimmy Vesey is a nice story but lets not forget this franchise (and its paying fans) waited 90+ years for a top 3 pick and we landed two of them in successive drafts. Only to see one of them bewilderingly benched in a playoff game. And we all thought the hockey gods were finally with us.
 
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This is the half-assed rebuild that is becoming clearer in the rearview mirror by the day.

They sent out the letter, the fans bought in - but upper management didn't have enough patience in many regards to what I call "running through the bag". They pulled up after the Wilson incident which prompted Dolan to make an emotional decision that set them into a tailspin. Since then the roster has been engineered to win a Cup rather than to improve and focus on building the youth.

You could argue that last postseason's run was also damaging since it instilled some false-ish hopes. But regardless of beating a bunch of backups and getting insane play from Igor, I refuse to say that 20 playoff games in any fashion is a detriment to a young, building team. But lets not forget they brought in 4 very effective players to strengthen the depth and they all fit like a glove. This team is far removed from that and we knew it going in.

Whats happened this season has spiraled out of control. They arent this bad. We forget that even at the start of the year we were marveling at what could be. Miller was on his game, Fox was Fox, the kids were up high in the lineup. And of course you had Bread breading with 20+ points in the first 12 games, the PP and Mika were clicking. Then somewhere along the line Igor lost it and the team started letting up untimely goals, hitting posts and calling it bad luck.

This year they are finding ways to lose instead of finding ways to win. The reality is the team is somewhere in the middle of what we saw for the majority of last season vs what we are seeing now. And that team should be treated as such. Not a contender and looking to build the youth up for the future.

The problem is there are some stubborn, selfish decision makers who arent willing to look past themselves and their time here. Jimmy Vesey is a nice story but lets not forget this franchise (and its paying fans) waited 90+ years for a top 3 pick and we landed two of them in successive drafts. Only to see one of them bewilderingly benched in a playoff game. And we all thought the hockey gods were finally with us.
Sure they overachieved, I think we all realized that, but success is good thing right? that's how players take that step forward.

You just can't overlook the fact that they lost 6 players from that playoff run.

Yes, i'm aware of the cap and the $, but all that chemistry, and good feelings, all of what made that run so great, and the come from behind attitude, was the makeup of the players in that room.

As much as STrome's lack of finish frustrated us, I have to admit he was better for Panarin, and better for the team because apparently, he was a leader.

I get moving Reeves, but where's his replacement? How about having one in place before you moved another Lockeroom leader.

Mangement makes these moves like a corporation and want the same on ice results. It just doesn't work that way.

No mystery here. last trade deadline additions and some key role players are gone. No one in the room can make up for that.

Gallant is just desperately throwing Sh$% against the wall to see what sticks.

One other thing....

Getting the crap knocked out of them and standing up for themselves and being ready to contend for a playoff run are two entirely different things.

Adding some toughness should have been a day one priority with the rebuild.
 
That would be ridiculously depressing.
Habs homers think I'm crazy.. but it's a legit trade. Caufield is "the" Broadway Star and can hop right in and change your team back to a contender immediately. but you gotta give up on "almost busts" Laff and Kakko. the gamble to Habs is if MSL can actually fix these guys.
"if" MSL can fix these guys then MTL is set next year to start the "playoff" run. NYR still have a corner stone 50 goal scorer.
 
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Habs homers think I'm crazy.. but it's a legit trade. Caufield is "the" Broadway Star and can hop right in and change your team back to a contender immediately. but you gotta give up on "almost busts" Laff and Kakko. the gamble to Habs is if MSL can actually fix these guys.
"if" MSL can fix these guys then MTL is set next year to start the "playoff" run. NYR still have a corner stone 50 goal scorer.
Dude, what makes you think Caufield can right the ship in NY? That presumption is utterly ridiculous. The trade in and of itself isn't that awful for Montréal (I'd never do it), but it makes no sense for either team. On top of it the Rangers would never give Caufield the opportunities and time he's getting here in Mtl.
 
Dude, what makes you think Caufield can right the ship in NY? That presumption is utterly ridiculous. The trade in and of itself isn't that awful for Montréal (I'd never do it), but it makes no sense for either team. On top of it the Rangers would never give Caufield the opportunities and time he's getting here in Mtl.
it makes perfect sense for both teams. Rangers window is now - they need scoring.
Habs are far from ready (defense) and goalie.
Caufield gonna be paid next year. Laff and Kakko combined will require Caufield money. Habs get bigger, cheaper, creates cap space to concentrate on Defense. Laff and Kakko will make our top 6 scary big and good. I think they are wasting away under Gallant and not being given the proper chance to breath like they would in MTL. It's a gamble only on MTLs part.
 
The Rangers botched this so bad. As soon as they won the Laf sweepstakes, they should have committed fully to the kids and started trading vets or letting them walk. At that point, you had back-to-back top picks and the sole focus should have been how do we develop Laf and Kakko into the next Crosby/Malkin or Toews/Kane. Three years later, the kids are still non-factors and appear to be flatlining.

I don't think they needed to fully commit and trade all the vets (though also remember that Kreider was re-signed before they won the lottery for Laf) but they needed coaches who were willing to give these players a role and responsibility to grow into leaders on this team and instead we got coaches who are coaching them to be role players.

Yeah you look at a team like the Devils, their high picks were put into positions to be the go to guys, the stars of the team. The Rangers top picks were put into positions to be 3rd liners

All you had to do is give them real time with the top six and start working them into the power play. Even now, power play 1 is struggling all to hell, why not mix it up?

The role these guys have isn't "high picks that are going to be the future of this team" it's "3rd line role players we don't trust to do anything" and so that's what they're playing like
 
it makes perfect sense for both teams. Rangers window is now - they need scoring.
Habs are far from ready (defense) and goalie.
Caufield gonna be paid next year. Laff and Kakko combined will require Caufield money. Habs get bigger, cheaper, creates cap space to concentrate on Defense. Laff and Kakko will make our top 6 scary big and good. I think they are wasting away under Gallant and not being given the proper chance to breath like they would in MTL. It's a gamble only on MTLs part.
Thats what has the Rangers in the place they are right now.

They're not at their window yet as much as some of the Rangers brass and coaching staff (and some fans) think they are.
 
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Caufield would be stuck on the 3rd line within a month with this coach. No chance I make that trade. At least at present we have two bottom 6ers with promise instead of one.
(to be clear to the montreal fans, this is me shitting on the coach & org., not on Caufield)
 
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