Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You're hired as an investment banker. You graduated top of your class from the best program in the country. For three years, all your boss lets you do is proofread powerpoint presentations. No meaningful analysis. No client meetings. And every time a deal falls through, you get yelled at. Would you continue to show up to work motivated and inspired to get better? Or would you check out, do the bare minimum, and start looking for other opportunities?

Development is a two way street. Some of it falls on the employee, and some of it falls on the organization.

It baffles me every time how the Rangers try to change the way these prospects play. If you're going to turn them into 2-way, grinding, defense-first players, why didn't you just go out and draft a guy who is already good at that?

 

[CLW]

It baffles me every time how the Rangers try to change the way these prospects play. If you're going to turn them into 2-way, grinding, defense-first players, why didn't you just go out and draft a guy who is already good at that?

Top graduate from The Rangers' School of Management and Coaching.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Why is it not registering here that the "vets" that everyone wants to start moving have NMC's?

Are people saying that Drury should begin to ask them to wave the no trade clause that was given to them?

And who can eat those contracts for high draft picks? Or are people here implying that a team is going to give up core players with similar contracts for the Rangers core players?

NMCs aren't a showstopper, it basically let's the player pick their next team or they can say no. Also some guys don't have the clause kick in until a certain point.

It's not impossible just will severely limit our options and return and most likely cost us picks and prospects as sweeteners.

It baffles me every time how the Rangers try to change the way these prospects play. If you're going to turn them into 2-way, grinding, defense-first players, why didn't you just go out and draft a guy who is already good at that?

I don't think there is a problem to making them more well rounded. The problem is the timing. Let them establish their identity first, get comfortable then make them grow. Then they have something to fall back on.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

It baffles me every time how the Rangers try to change the way these prospects play. If you're going to turn them into 2-way, grinding, defense-first players, why didn't you just go out and draft a guy who is already good at that?

Or just trade all your first round picks straight up for 4th rounders at that point, since boring 2 way grinding players with a ceiling of 50 points are available up and down the draft and top flight franchise offensive players are very rarely drafted outside of the top these days.

At least that way I'd know better than to let exciting prospects get my hopes up.

 

[duhmetreE]

It baffles me every time how the Rangers try to change the way these prospects play. If you're going to turn them into 2-way, grinding, defense-first players, why didn't you just go out and draft a guy who is already good at that?

Because we're stuck in the 80's and 90's.... and our leader of 'player development' is Jed Ortmeyer... what do you expect our players to develop into?

We do not understand skill or how to harness/hone it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Because we're stuck in the 80's and 90's.... and our leader of 'player development' is Jed Ortmeyer... what do you expect our players to develop into?

We do not understand skill or how to harness/hone it.

I have already debunked the whole "Ortmeyer-Glass can't develop because they were 4th liners" nonsense elsewhere.

They're not the reason we are struggling to develop. This org has not properly developed a top-10 pick since Brian Leetch.

 

[mrmovies779]

I still believe in Laf.3 point game tonight if he's with kk and Mika

 

[duhmetreE]

I have already debunked the whole "Ortmeyer-Glass can't develop because they were 4th liners" nonsense elsewhere.

They're not the reason we are struggling to develop. This org has not properly developed a top-10 pick since Brian Leetch.

There's no debunking it.

If the entire org is looking to 80-90's hockey and empowers people who were grinders, what do you think the outcome will be?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

There's no debunking it.

If the entire org is looking to 80-90's hockey and empowers people who were grinders, what do you think the outcome will be?

Glass and Ortmeyer aren't bad at developing because of who they are as players.

See below

You should look up the names of the Lightning, Avs, Stars and Bruins developing coaches.

The Tampa Bay Lighting are a prime example of a team that develops players well, right?

I'd consider them the cream of the crop in that regard. Anyone want to guess who their director of player development is? Stacy Roest, who played less in the NHL than either Tanner Glass or Jed Ortmeyer.

Colorado Avalanche? Brian Wilshie

Carolina Hurricanes? Peter Harrold, Jason Muzzatti, Sergei Samsonov

Detroit Red Wings? Shawn Horcoff and Daniel Cleary

Dallas Stars? J.J. McQueen, Stephen Greely, Pär Johansson

Sergei Samsonov and Shawn Horcoff had decent seasons as a player in the NHL but hardly the stars some people want to be in charge of player development, yet they're among the most successful in the league. Some of the names here didn't e ven play in the NHL.

Tanner Glass and Jed Ortmeyer may not be good at their job but it's not that they aren't good because of who they were as players. There's no correlation at all between being a good player and being a good coach.

If Glass and Ortmeyer are bad at developing players, that's fine. But it has nothing to do with how good they were as players. If that were the case, the Coyotes would have won a Cup with Gretzky behind the bench.

Glass and Ortmeyer aren't the problem. They're just symptoms of the actual problem. This organization is rotten to its core. They hire the wrong people, and then fans just brush it off as bad luck or blame the players. The same way Gallant is not the problem, but the organizational thinking that leads to the hiring of a coach like Gallant is.

 

[UnSandvich]

It baffles me every time how the Rangers try to change the way these prospects play. If you're going to turn them into 2-way, grinding, defense-first players, why didn't you just go out and draft a guy who is already good at that?

FWIW, last draft they did. And I think Adam Sykora is going to be a Ranger for a long long time

 

[mas0764]

I have already debunked the whole "Ortmeyer-Glass can't develop because they were 4th liners" nonsense elsewhere.

They're not the reason we are struggling to develop. This org has not properly developed a top-10 pick since Brian Leetch.

What is the reason? Honest question.

Glass and Ortmeyer aren't bad at developing because of who they are as players.

See below



If Glass and Ortmeyer are bad at developing players, that's fine. But it has nothing to do with how good they were as players. If that were the case, the Coyotes would have won a Cup with Gretzky behind the bench.

Glass and Ortmeyer aren't the problem. They're just symptoms of the actual problem. This organization is rotten to its core. They hire the wrong people, and then fans just brush it off as bad luck or blame the players. The same way Gallant is not the problem, but the organizational thinking that leads to the hiring of a coach like Gallant is.

I think it is true that Glass and Ortmeyer are symptoms of the problem, and it's also true that being a skilled player (like Gretzky) doesn't make you good at coaching skill to players.

But being an unskilled player probably doesn't help teach skill. You have to know how to do it to teach it.

 

[dshea19]

What is the reason? Honest question.



I think it is true that Glass and Ortmeyer are symptoms of the problem, and it's also true that being a skilled player (like Gretzky) doesn't make you good at coaching skill to players.

But being an unskilled player probably doesn't help teach skill. You have to know how to do it to teach it.

Player development guys don’t coach the game or the skills. They keep in touch with prospects and make sure they are following the plans prescribed by the trainers and skills coaches. They are liaisons and organizers, not direct coaches.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

How can you not like this kid....gets the shaft all year, finally gets some proper ice time and instead of basking in it he does the team guy answer and says he'll play with anyone. People complain about him a lot but he's still gonna be an awesome player, hopefully they don't move him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

How can you not like this kid....gets the shaft all year, finally gets some proper ice time and instead of basking in it he does the team guy answer and says he'll play with anyone. People complain about him a lot but he's still gonna be an awesome player, hopefully they don't move him.

I sometimes bash the kid for his effort but I bet this situation is new to him, getting ice time in juniors to not being the guy the last few NHL seasons. He seems like a humble odd kid but fun to have around. I hope he breaks out when no expects it. The talent, passion and grit is there.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Also
Since i changed my name and avatar he's been much better, who else needs a bump? Lol

I sometimes bash the kid for his effort but I bet this situation is new to him, getting ice time in juniors to not being the guy the last few NHL seasons. He seems like a humble odd kid but fun to have around. I hope he breaks out when no expects it. The talent, passion and grit is there.

Confidence is key with young players, he's gotten a boost of it now, hopefully Gallant doesn't Kravtsov him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Also
Since i changed my name and avatar he's been much better, who else needs a bump? Lol

One thing i love about Lafy, for a young kid always sticking up for teammates. It’s good to see him be a leader in that aspect of the Game at a young age.

 

[LORDE]

How can you not like this kid....gets the shaft all year, finally gets some proper ice time and instead of basking in it he does the team guy answer and says he'll play with anyone. People complain about him a lot but he's still gonna be an awesome player, hopefully they don't move him.

Not sayin I'm not really happy w his game or his answer to the question, but these guys are media coached. I doubt he or any other player would go into an interview and say:

"It's about f***ing time... the coaches the past 3 seasons are morons and if it weren't for that plug Kreider or that pond hockey playin Bread w/his dipsy do crap, I'd be tearing up the league right now."

 

[will1066]

Laf is starting to undergo some Chytil face-chiseling. Baby fat coming off. Expect uberchad Laf next year.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Laf is starting to undergo some Chytil face-chiseling. Baby fat coming off. Expect uberchad Laf next year.

That's what everyone said we should expect this year...

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

That's what everyone said we should expect this year...

If we didn’t have an imbecile for a coach it might have already happened

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not sayin I'm not really happy w his game or his answer to the question, but these guys are media coached. I doubt he or any other player would go into an interview and say:

"It's about f***ing time... the coaches the past 3 seasons are morons and if it weren't for that plug Kreider or that pond hockey playin Bread w/his dipsy do crap, I'd be tearing up the league right now."

Why would he say that, nobody would? Way to blow it out of proportion. He could have easily said it's nice to get to play with top line players or its nice to get on the top line, instead he praised the teams depth and said he'd play anywhere. 3 pts in 4 periods, 2 wins, since he was put in a position to succeed

 

[will1066]

That's what everyone said we should expect this year...

Late bloomer. What can I tell ya?

 

[JimmyG89]

Just going to say that the majority of NHL players cannot adjust to that pass in his skates on his offhand in the time and space that he did.

The talent level is absolutely there and he needs to be put in a spot to continue building confidence in that.

 

[will1066]

I'm hearing on the wire that Mark Stone wants a hearing for Lindgren with the league office for that devastating cross-check that purportedly managed to reach into his scrotum and destroyed his baby-making testes.

 

[LORDE]

Why would he say that, nobody would? Way to blow it out of proportion. He could have easily said it's nice to get to play with top line players or its nice to get on the top line, instead he praised the teams depth and said he'd play anywhere. 3 pts in 4 periods, 2 wins, since he was put in a position to succeed

My point was merely that he and every other player is media coached