Player Discussion Alexandre Carrier

[Pompeius Magnus]

He needed to solidify his spot this season with how the organization perceives Mailloux and Reinbacher. He did not take the necessary leap and they got some certainty on the blueline this year when they've needed it.

He had his window with the organization and it closed. I don't discount the possibility he could still be a PP2, 3rd pair RD for the Predators long term. He was just gonna get passed over here in short order.

Sure, he could still figure it out. He never found that extra gear with us, his time had passed.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Sure, he could still figure it out. He never found that extra gear with us, his time had passed.

Exactly - he was getting passed next year. They could get value that helps them this year and give Barron a fresh start.

I'm sure both teams are happy with this trade.

 

[OldCraig71]

Put them neck and neck and it becomes obvious why Trotz could not resist reaching for Barron.

Trotz should have used Head and Shoulders shampoo in his earlier years. Barron looks like someone who overdosed on it lol.

 

[sampollock]

Nashville fan here. He's not going to net you a 1st, if he was going to we'd have done it by now.

He's a good no.5 defenseman who can play in the top 4 sporadically or more permanently when tied to a more stable partner.

Barron needs extra coaching. he is weak

 

[Tyson]

Habs became better defensively overnight. Hughes needed to do this.

 

[sampollock]

Habs became better defensively overnight. Hughes needed to do this.

yes he did.
Barron is a AHL d man at best.

now what to do with Math?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This allows Guhle to play LD.
The problem i see is what becomes of Struble in the short term?

As I said in the other thread, Matheson needs to go.

 

[Tyson]

yes he did.
Barron is a AHL d man at best.

now what to do with Math?

I believe that Hutson can take up alot of Matheson's minutes but I don't think the Habs are ready to move Matheson or Savard yet.

 

[morhilane]

yes he did.
Barron is a AHL d man at best.

now what to do with Math?

The left side doesn't need Matheson, Guhle/Hutson/Xhekaj is a good left side despite how young it is.

The right side is still weak outside the vets and I expect one of Savard/Matheson to traded by the deadline. So conundrum...because Carrier can't carry the right side by himself next season...

 

[Kennerback]

yes he did.
Barron is a AHL d man at best.

now what to do with Math?

I could somewhat deal with Matheson brain cramps but not if you added Barron’s. It’s already better for the time being.

We know Matheson will f*** up bad regularly but now it’s only one guy. The other Ds might make the odd bad decision but are not sloppy like Barron.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

Barron was really bad. We needed a steady right handed D that isn’t another rookie. Trade makes sense, especially if Savard gets moved at the trade deadline.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

The left side doesn't need Matheson, Guhle/Hutson/Xhekaj is a good left side despite how young it is.

The right side is still weak outside the vets and I expect one of Savard/Matheson to traded by the deadline. So conundrum...because Carrier can't carry the right side by himself next season...

Yep. It’s an no brainer. Ideally we trade Matheson + pick + prospect for an actual good top 4 pairing RHD.

On the right side in no particular order, depending on how Reinbacher looks after the injury and how Mailloux develops his defensive game this year in the AHL.

*Insert trade acquisition*
Carrier
Reinbacher
Mailloux

 

[BLONG7]

I believe that Hutson can take up alot of Matheson's minutes but I don't think the Habs are ready to move Matheson or Savard yet.

I think HuGo will sit patiently, because they can, and if they get a big offer for either guy, then they move one or both....................more than likely just Saavvy at this point.

 

[morhilane]

Yep. It’s an no brainer. Ideally we trade Matheson + pick + prospect for an actual good top 4 pairing RHD.

On the right side in no particular order, depending on how Reinbacher looks after the injury and how Mailloux develops his defensive game this year in the AHL.

*Insert trade acquisition*
Carrier
Reinbacher
Mailloux

I don't even think the Habs are going to look at a top 4 vets RHD now that they have Carrier. They might try to trade Matheson for a RHD prospect thought, because that side of the prospect pool is still kinda weak with the question marks on Reinbacher/Mailloux.

And we can also add Engstrom (even if LHD) and Konyushkov (if he buy back his last contract year) for possible RD canditates next season.

 

[Tyson]

I think HuGo will sit patiently, because they can, and if they get a big offer for either guy, then they move one or both....................more than likely just Saavvy at this point.

The best way to help young D learn is to surround them with good vets, Carrier helps immensely

 

[Soundgarden]

Barron needs extra coaching. he is weak

Perfect for the tank.

 

[Rapala]

I believe that Hutson can take up alot of Matheson's minutes but I don't think the Habs are ready to move Matheson or Savard yet.

We need to move on from both of them but it'll take a number #1 RD with experience and term to do so.

 

[Tyson]

We need to move on from both of them but it'll take a number #1 RD with experience and term to do so.

Once the young D hit about 200 game each then I would be ok with it. You have to surround youngsters with vets

 

[EXPOS123]

Nashville fan here. He's not going to net you a 1st, if he was going to we'd have done it by now.

He's a good no.5 defenseman who can play in the top 4 sporadically or more permanently when tied to a more stable partner.

Thanks. The problem for me is is that type of player worth close to 4 million per year?

We already have so many bad contracts as is and trying to get out of and now we are tying ourselves to another one

 

[Tyson]

Thanks. The problem for me is is that type of player worth close to 4 million per year?

We already have so many bad contracts as is and trying to get out of and now we are tying ourselves to another one

In today's NHL bottom pairing D vets are going for 3+ million per season.

 

[HabsAddict]

Carrier may be servicable but is a downgrade to Savard or Math so they think Guhle and X can carry the team on their back. Expect both to play 24-25 minutes.

I love it...but given the glassy nature of Guhle, X better buy a lot of foot powder and Popeil foot massager.

(Go ahead, tell me that you thought this was the path. Yes, me and my mirror are taking credit for believing he can...but the truth? Making me a bit nervous)

Struble has miles to go and Mailman/Engstrom are servicable but still a risk.

Hutson is in his own league in a very high offence but limited defense.

So...most likely say goodbye to Savard and if we get a kings ransom, goodbye to Meth. Otherwise Meth stays for another year.

Swim...or sink time...

 

[Deebs]

Carrier may be servicable but is a downgrade to Savard or Math so they think Guhle and X can carry the team on their back. Expect both to play 24-25 minutes.

I love it...but given the glassy nature of Guhle, X better buy a lot of foot powder and Popeil foot massager.

(Go ahead, tell me that you thought this was the path. Yes, me and my mirror are taking credit for believing he can...but the truth? Making me a bit nervous)

Struble has miles to go and Mailman/Engstrom are servicable but still a risk.

Hutson is in his own league in a very high offence but limited defense.

So...most likely say goodbye to Savard and if we get a kings ransom, goodbye to Meth. Otherwise Meth stays for another year.

Swim...or sink time...

Present day Savard is barely an everyday NHL player, Carrier is an upgrade there. If we get offered a 3rd-4th rounder for him, we must take it and run when the time comes.

Matheson, like Guhle before him, should not be playing on his offside as it makes him a worse player but those are the cards we're dealt at the moment. I expect him to be moved at the deadline and hopefully we can have a RD replace him either in that deal or another.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Carrier may be servicable but is a downgrade to Savard or Math so they think Guhle and X can carry the team on their back. Expect both to play 24-25 minutes.

I love it...but given the glassy nature of Guhle, X better buy a lot of foot powder and Popeil foot massager.

(Go ahead, tell me that you thought this was the path. Yes, me and my mirror are taking credit for believing he can...but the truth? Making me a bit nervous)

Struble has miles to go and Mailman/Engstrom are servicable but still a risk.

Hutson is in his own league in a very high offence but limited defense.

So...most likely say goodbye to Savard and if we get a kings ransom, goodbye to Meth. Otherwise Meth stays for another year.

Swim...or sink time...

I think Xhekaj is on the bottom pairing no matter what

 

[HabsAddict]

Present day Savard is barely an everyday NHL player, Carrier is an upgrade there. If we get offered a 3rd-4th rounder for him, we must take it and run when the time comes.

Matheson, like Guhle before him, should not be playing on his offside as it makes him a worse player but those are the cards we're dealt at the moment. I expect him to be moved at the deadline and hopefully we can have a RD replace him either in that deal or another.

Savard has slowed down but he's still our top 3 defensive defenseman. Only now because X has taken a giant step, he's down to the 3rd best.

Carrier wont displace Guhle as our top RD but we are losing out on Guhle offense.

Let's see which carrier we get. There was a short term Carrier that could pinch as a top 4 but there is no version of Carrier as a permanent top 4. If he was, he wouldn't be worth a Barron.

We really need Mailman to pull an X in developing. And of course for Rein to heal and come in by the latest, next Xmas.

I'm getting two AHL games and going to the Feb 7 game. The ast game i saw, Mailman made me cry with two easy blunders. Not suprised because it happens to young players. Let's see the next 3....

I think Xhekaj is on the bottom pairing no matter what

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