Player Discussion Alexandar Georgiev

[Absolut]

Georgiev is not the terrible goalie he's shown to be in the past 2 seasons. If he doesn't see enough action, his timing goes. He is a cocky underdog, and he has the talent. But right now, both his timing and his confidence are in the toilet. He needs a change of scenery. And obviously, we need to ship him off ASAP.

 

[Rempe73]

I used to think he had 1B potential. Wtf happened? Maybe I was wrong. Talented but awful mentally? Or just not talented enough to begin with?

 

[Lua]

Not that I don't believe them, and I definitely notice some indicting body language after wins and in the handshake lines, but have the rumors that Geo is intensely disliked in the locker room ever been substantiated?

 

[Harbour Dog]

Not that I don't believe them, and I definitely notice some indicting body language after wins and in the handshake lines, but have the rumors that Geo is intensely disliked in the locker room ever been substantiated?

They haven't. I'm pretty sure those rumors have been fabricated by people upset about Deangelo.

I don't think Georgiev wants to be here though. He had so much swagger when he got here first, but that confidence took a nosedive last year. He seems like the least invested guy in the lineup, and I have little doubt that his trade request this summer was real.

 

[clmetsfan]

It’s wasn’t though

anyone with eyes could see Shestyorkin was legit. And Georgiev has always been nothing special, it was just a matter of time before the wheels fell off.

These executives get paid to have foresight and they botched this one

Yeah, and once upon a time so was Rick DiPietro. Georgiev's max value was probably around October 2019, when Shesterkin hadn't even played an NHL game, or February 2020, when he'd played 10. To claim that he was a can't-miss goalie at that point is ridiculous.

And beyond Shesterkin there was absolutely no other viable organizational depth at the position. Trading Geo at that point would have been incredibly irresponsible.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

JG should have traded Georgiev when he still had value in 2020.

At this point, just get his salary off the roster.

 

[CasusBelli]

>92.0% --> great starter
>91.5% --> good starter
> 91.0% --> decent starter

< 91.0% --> backup
< 90.0% --> minor leaguer
< 89.0% --> IHOP with failed Wall Street traders

Pretty sure G is well below 90.0%

 

[Kovalev27]

Georgiev is not the terrible goalie he's shown to be in the past 2 seasons. If he doesn't see enough action, his timing goes. He is a cocky underdog, and he has the talent. But right now, both his timing and his confidence are in the toilet. He needs a change of scenery. And obviously, we need to ship him off ASAP.

the only accuracy in this post started with “But”. The first part was fiction.

 

[Kovalev27]

JG should have traded Georgiev when he still had value in 2020.

At this point, just get his salary off the roster.

just another reason in a long line of reasons I’m glad he was fired

 

[bleedblue94]

Gerogiev has gotten progressively worse since igor showed up here. Some guys do better with the internal copetition and some guys mentally crumble. Igor walked into this team and has made things look easy, for some guys in the net that adds even more pressure as a backup that the main guy is so good and you may not be. For other guys they dont care and just go out there and play their games. Georgiev wanted the starting job here and since igor came in and immediately claimed it Georgiev seems to be mentally shrinking...

 

[Peltz]

Like I stated in the PGT, I've always liked Georgiev and really hope (and still believe) he can salvage his NHL career, but it's not happening here. The sooner we are divorced, the better for both parties. Drury needs to figure out the backup position, and fast. And I don't think Kinkaid or Huska are the answers.

Kincaid can be a bandaid (it even rhymes) but I agree he’s not a long term solution. Curious about your take on Huska though. Why don’t you think he would work?

 

[Peltz]

I'm not sure that's fair. Georgiev's value was highest well before Shesterkin had established himself as a viable no. 1. Hindsight is 20/20, but that would have been a huge risk.

You CAN take risks, but not quite many at the goal-tending position.

I actually think they kept Georgiev because they legitimately thought he was a better #2 than Hank (and they wanted the cap space from buying out Hank's contract). At that time, it did not seem like a huge risk. Georgiev played pretty well up until last season when he started to really tank.

This year is beyond bad though. He's a shell of his former self, and only seems to be getting worse.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I used to think he had 1B potential. Wtf happened? Maybe I was wrong. Talented but awful mentally? Or just not talented enough to begin with?

I think it's more of a mental thing with him. A change of scenery would do him some good.

 

[Peltz]

It’s wasn’t though

anyone with eyes could see Shestyorkin was legit. And Georgiev has always been nothing special, it was just a matter of time before the wheels fell off.

These executives get paid to have foresight and they botched this one

Yea, Shesterkin was clearly "the guy" from a mile away, I give you that.

But Georgiev, prior to last season, stole us a bunch of games too. There's a reason why when we had the three headed monster they stopped starting Hank and not Georgiev. He was better than Hank that season and was a legit starter in our lineup.

If you told me during that season - when he flat out stole some wins including some from division rivals - that he would have crumbled to the point where he's a liability as a backup, I wouldn't have believed you.

I do not mind that they tried to keep the Russian goaltending duo intact from that season by buying out Hank, but I do mind that they didn't trade him over the summer this year when they knew he had some shaky starts, and I really mind that he got the start last night too when Shesty could have rested for two days after the game.

His time here is done and everyone knows it. He makes it so hard to win against teams the Rangers should be dunking on. And at this point, he's got zero trade value unless he's part of a package.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

He needs minutes. Lots of them.

Send him down so he can string some games together.

Kinkaid was fantastic off the bench last year, he knows how to stay sharp and ready. Georgiev has shown he has trouble keeping his focus in this role, in addition to any metal blocks he has now not being relied on as the #1.

If Georgiev gets it back together then bring him back up because we need him to be a good goaltender for this club, or improve whatever little value he has on the block.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kinkaid is probably a better option, but he's far from a good one.

Like as a #3 who is needed in case of injury, fine. It'd be nice if we could groom someone who play behind Shesterkin for the next few years. He doesn't have to be starter quality, he just has to be good enough to stop everything hes supposed to stop and occasionally make the big save.

Dunno if Huska is that guy.

 

[TheTakedown]

Imagine disrespecting one of the greatest Rangers of all time for this guy. Fireable offense in and of itself for Gorts. I would have more faith in Hank if he laced up and played next game than Geo at this point.

For a guy that you could see clear as day was a career journeyman backup, too... Absolutely disgusting how gorts played Hank dirty like this over a f***ing 3rd tier goaltender

 

[Unpredictable1]

Gerogiev has gotten progressively worse since igor showed up here. Some guys do better with the internal copetition and some guys mentally crumble. Igor walked into this team and has made things look easy, for some guys in the net that adds even more pressure as a backup that the main guy is so good and you may not be. For other guys they dont care and just go out there and play their games. Georgiev wanted the starting job here and since igor came in and immediately claimed it Georgiev seems to be mentally shrinking...

This is a great take actually. Totally agree.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

For a guy that you could see clear as day was a career journeyman backup, too... Absolutely disgusting how gorts played Hank dirty like this over a f***ing 3rd tier goaltender

I still seriously believe that Gorton having Dolan buy out Lundqvist was a major factor in Dolan's list of grievances with Gorton and JD.

If he had him buy out Hank and the Rangers are good and make the playoffs then it's a non-issue. But he makes Dolan buy out Hank - a player who Dolan as publicly drooled over his whole time here and almost singlehandedly made the Rangers relevant again - and then the Rangers stink and Georgiev is bad all season. This 100% put a bad taste in Dolan's mouth.

I'd guess that Dolan did not want to buy out Lundqvist. He knows he's a franchise legend and only had one season left on his contract and it was technically doable just for the final year and if they were going to miss the playoffs anyway then the could've let him ride off in a Rangers jersey. But Gorton wanted to buy him out and move forward with Igor and Georgiev as a tandem which Georgiev rewarded his confidence by being terrible.

So my theory is that Dolan was mad about having the buy Hank out but grudgingly did it while holding his nose and then AG sucks and the team sucks and it makes Dolan even more mad because he didn't want to buy out (probably) his favorite player in the first place making him more mad when the Wilson stuff happened because he was already unhappy with Gorton stemming from the Hank buyout.

 

[Peltz]

I still seriously believe that Gorton having Dolan buy out Lundqvist was a major factor in Dolan's list of grievances with Gorton and JD.

If he had him buy out Hank and the Rangers are good and make the playoffs then it's a non-issue. But he makes Dolan buy out Hank - a player who Dolan as publicly drooled over his whole time here and almost singlehandedly made the Rangers relevant again - and then the Rangers stink and Georgiev is bad all season. This 100% put a bad taste in Dolan's mouth.

I'd guess that Dolan did not want to buy out Lundqvist. He knows he's a franchise legend and only had one season left on his contract and it was technically doable just for the final year and if they were going to miss the playoffs anyway then the could've let him ride off in a Rangers jersey. But Gorton wanted to buy him out and move forward with Igor and Georgiev as a tandem which Georgiev rewarded his confidence by being terrible.

So my theory is that Dolan was mad about having the buy Hank out but grudgingly did it while holding his nose and then AG sucks and the team sucks and it makes Dolan even more mad because he didn't want to buy out (probably) his favorite player in the first place making him more mad when the Wilson stuff happened because he was already unhappy with Gorton stemming from the Hank buyout.

Trying to read Dolan's mind and attempting to determine any rationality out of it is an act of foolishness. I urge you to save your brain cells for literally anything else.

 

[Kodiak]

I used to think he had 1B potential. Wtf happened? Maybe I was wrong. Talented but awful mentally? Or just not talented enough to begin with?

The mental part is probably the biggest part at this level. If they are in the pros, they probably have enough talent to be successful. We’ve seen minor league goalies catch fire and be unbeatable for weeks. It’s the mental toughness and consistency that often separates good from great. Georgiev needs to go somewhere else and get his mental game sorted if he wants to have an NHL career.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I personally think Georgiev needs to get to a team where he gets to play more, some goalies can't turn it on and off at the flip of a switch. In the end i think he ends up in the KHL.

 

[Lion Hound]

Not that I don't believe them, and I definitely notice some indicting body language after wins and in the handshake lines, but have the rumors that Geo is intensely disliked in the locker room ever been substantiated?

I think one of the beat writers mentioned it. Can't remember who.

 

[Thirty One]

I think one of the beat writers mentioned it. Can't remember who.

I don't think I've seen it reported outside of America's Insider, the silver-haired millennial, Frank Seravalli. It might very well be true, but he definitely not the most careful of the insiders out there.

 

[TheTakedown]

Yeah, and once upon a time so was Rick DiPietro. Georgiev's max value was probably around October 2019, when Shesterkin hadn't even played an NHL game, or February 2020, when he'd played 10. To claim that he was a can't-miss goalie at that point is ridiculous.

And beyond Shesterkin there was absolutely no other viable organizational depth at the position. Trading Geo at that point would have been incredibly irresponsible.

This is correct. At that time, geo's value was a peak of a 2nd rounder that Toronto was rumored to have offered.... Maybe that was media speak, so let's just say it was the same value as Talbot.... A 3rd +5th + 7th...

That would have been a perfectly fine return for a backup goalie... Hank would have been fine splitting games 41+41....

Instead gorts overplayed his hand and this is the result. You can't even use the "hindsight is 20/20" excuse here because even if Geo was a quality goalie, shesterkin was, is, and will always be a better goalie!