Player Discussion Alex Newhook

[Habs]

Doubting the fire, physical game and competitive of a Newfie.. that's gonna bite some people.

Unless there's good fishing, rum or a crab festival , then you can abduct a newfie and hold them prisoner for years

 

[JianYang]

15 goals scorer, WHAT A SHOT!!!! he scored when Ullmark wasnt even in his net, you really think newhook is a 30+ goals scorer? Youve established you know cant evaluate players. you really gotta understand that every player in the NHL has a shot, some of them have "better" shots like Caufield, some of them have BAD shots like Gallagher. Newhook has a 4/10 shot.

If he had a shot, he wouldve scored 30 goals easy with mackinnon and ranta

A guy can have a good shot and low goal totals.

Pierre Dagenais is an example that comes to mind. It happens when guys have other limitations that limit their opportunities to showcase it.

But further to this topic, Newhook missed alot of time last year and did not play with traditional top 6 players 5 on 5 last year for the most part. So even the goal totals have to be put in the proper context.

 

[Erika]

This guy is terrible !! I have the same issue with Newhook that I had with Christopher Higgins a few years back... he isn't suited for a 2nd line role. He's a borderline ok 3rd line player in a bad team, but would be best utilized as an energy player with the focus of forechecking responsibilities on a 4th line in a championship caliber team like Florida or the Rangers. His stone hands isn't going to contribute much in an offensive role and it's amplifying with how bad Dach is playing currently.

Newhook is a worst version of Christopher Higgins imo. Heck, Higgins scored 20 goals 3 times in his career while being responsible defensively, Newhook is nowhere close to that right now. I would get rid of him for the highest value possible within the next 2 years if I was Kent Hughes... I don't see him in the Habs core top 9 when this team will get back in the playoff road.

 

[River Meadow]

He's a third liner on a good team , nothing wrong with that.

Also I don't see Newhook as soft , weak yes but soft no

Weak isn't that much better than soft though, is it?

Avs fan said this to me in another thread earlier today. Hopefully Newhook gets better but this was their perspective on their own 1st round selection:

"I was happy when the Avs bailed on Newhook early enough to recoup good value. He's a player that leaves you thinking he could get to that next level, but then never gets any better at all."
Another Avs fan:
"Right now, hes stuck at the.. too small to be a good bottom sixer, not skilled enough to be a line driver, and not enough two way play to play with two other elite offensive players against top competition."

 

[River Meadow]

Never liked him in the BCHL, never liked him on the Avs and I still don't like him. Stop answering the phone when Sakic calls, KENT

Sakic bout to call up Kent to sell him some timeshares in Maui

% agree. Nothing wrong with Newhook being a solid 3rd liner.

Do we need an undersized 3rd liner who shy's away from physical play, with our already smallish core?

 

[Benstheman]

Third line lw.

 

[OldCraig71]

Unless there's good fishing, rum or a crab festival , then you can abduct a newfie and hold them prisoner for years

Watch your tongue! What brand of rum do you have?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Third line lw.

Was always the outcome for him unless he hit a higher level offensively, so it was a safe and good bet. His speed and left shot one timing ability will be needed. His compete and defensive ability is enough to be a great 3rd liner who can slide up into the top 6.

 

[Souker]

Newhook has no chair on this team whether it’s short term or long term. His acquisition had me scratching my head since day one.
At his top, he’s a 2nd line player on a bottom 10 team but at his “normal”, he’d have no role on a majority of playoff teams as he doesn’t fit the top 6 nor what they want in their bottom 6 (with a few exceptions that could fit him a role on their 3rd with bigger players).

hope we can trade him and recoup some value.

 

[Souker]

Was always the outcome for him unless he hit a higher level offensively, so it was a safe and good bet. His speed and left shot one timing ability will be needed. His compete and defensive ability is enough to be a great 3rd liner who can slide up into the top 6.

One timing ability? Are we talking about the same player with just 2 goals this year despite PP time and a career best 15 goals playing on the top 6?
And honestly, his defensive ability is a tad overrated:
- He has the 2nd worse +/- (-9)
- Worse FO% of anyone who played center
- Among the top 5 lowest % on the team with defensive zone starts but among the top 5 in offensive zone starts (and 2 goals & -9 to show for it).
- Among the lowest on the team in hits and blocks.

Can we stop sugarcoating his game?

 

[Jaynki]

Don't think he will be a player long term in Montreal.

Not good enough for a top 6 role. Not sure if he brings what we want in a bottom six role. Brings speed, backcheck well and track his player pretty well defensively but thats it.

Underwhelming acquisition in my humble opinion.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

I'll give him the full season before putting a ceiling on him. He had some very good stretches last year. The dude simply lacks consistency

 

[WeThreeKings]

One timing ability? Are we talking about the same player with just 2 goals this year despite PP time and a career best 15 goals playing on the top 6?
And honestly, his defensive ability is a tad overrated:
- He has the 2nd worse +/- (-9)
- Worse FO% of anyone who played center
- Among the top 5 lowest % on the team with defensive zone starts but among the top 5 in offensive zone starts (and 2 goals & -9 to show for it).
- Among the lowest on the team in hits and blocks.

Can we stop sugarcoating his game?

He hasn't been good this year - you won't find me excusing that, but he also has been stitched together with Armia and the two of them have no chemistry at all. Just last night when they were separated, Dach looked 1000x better than he did at any point in this season not on the top line.. Newhook looked a bit better but obviously mistimed a lot of his chances.

That doesn't change the tools or abilities he has. He's on an absolute cold streak right now but as long as they keep him away from Armia, we should see the rise of his game back to the level it should be at.

 

[Habs]

We can revisit this in January

Or now ?

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

He hasn't been great but he should improve. Story's not over. Armia, Dvorak, Evans probably all traded this year. I like him at center, personally. He's 23.

 

[Erika]

This guy is terrible !! I have the same issue with Newhook that I had with Christopher Higgins a few years back... he isn't suited for a 2nd line role. He's a borderline ok 3rd line player in a bad team, but would be best utilized as an energy player with the focus of forechecking responsibilities on a 4th line in a championship caliber team like Florida or the Rangers. His stone hands isn't going to contribute much in an offensive role and it's amplifying with how bad Dach is playing currently.

Newhook is a worst version of Christopher Higgins imo. Heck, Higgins scored 20 goals 3 times in his career while being responsible defensively, Newhook is nowhere close to that right now. I would get rid of him for the highest value possible within the next 2 years if I was Kent Hughes... I don't see him in the Habs core top 9 when this team will get back in the playoff road.

This guy is getting worst by the day...

 

[Tyson]

He has been brutal level bad.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

He has been brutal level bad.

HuGo, trade him if you can. Habs have nothing to gain short, middle or long term with him.
Newhook=Drouin and Drouin is chaper today. I don't want Drouin back so the same with Newhook.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Nightmare scenario for him. Starts the year with Dach and Kirby shots the bed. Misses on some chances… they both get saddled with Armia.

Now we may have Slaf injured again, just brutal.

He’s shown he can be a pretty good complimentary player when put in the right situation. I still think he can bounce back but MSL has already demoted him once.

I’d really like to see Dach, Roy and Newhook on the 2nd. To me that’s our best bet until Laine returns.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Nightmare scenario for him. Starts the year with Dach and Kirby shots the bed. Misses on some chances… they both get saddled with Armia.

Now we may have Slaf injured again, just brutal.

He’s shown he can be a pretty good complimentary player when put in the right situation. I still think he can bounce back but MSL has already demoted him once.

I’d really like to see Dach, Roy and Newhook on the 2nd. To me that’s our best bet until Laine returns.

That needs to happen tomorrow.

Slaf-Suzuki-Caufield
Newhook-Dach-Roy

Do that until Laine is back and re-assess.

This trade will look even better when Newhook is a speed threat on a cohesive 3rd line, that will happen no later than next season when Demidov arrives.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That needs to happen tomorrow.

Slaf-Suzuki-Caufield
Newhook-Dach-Roy

Do that until Laine is back and re-assess.

This trade will look even better when Newhook is a speed threat on a cohesive 3rd line, that will happen no later than next season when Demidov arrives.

A brutal camp and Roy being sent to Laval was the first domino in what’s been a brutal start. Roy seems to have gotten his shit together. He’s coming off a hat trick so it would be a good time to bring him back. That should’ve been our second line from the start - but I get they wanted to teach Roy a lesson. That’s perfectly valid. But the team needs a spark and I think Roy could help.

Armia, Anderson… they should be nowhere near the top six.

 

[themilosh]

Nightmare scenario for him. Starts the year with Dach and Kirby shots the bed. Misses on some chances… they both get saddled with Armia.

Now we may have Slaf injured again, just brutal.

He’s shown he can be a pretty good complimentary player when put in the right situation. I still think he can bounce back but MSL has already demoted him once.

I’d really like to see Dach, Roy and Newhook on the 2nd. To me that’s our best bet until Laine returns.

We already have a newhook replacement in Beck. These guys aren't going to ever turn the needle. They just have to contribute .5pts/game and add some energy to the bottom 6. If not, then we go bigger - and start terrorizing teams with Arber - Tuch - Florian on the 4th..

Im done with these middling small guys with "skill".. whats the point if the skill produces no offense?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We already have a newhook replacement in Beck. These guys aren't going to ever turn the needle. They just have to contribute .5pts/game and add some energy to the bottom 6. If not, then we go bigger - and start terrorizing teams with Arber - Tuch - Florian on the 4th..

Im done with these middling small guys with "skill".. whats the point if the skill produces no offense?

Beck’s our 3rd line two way center. Newhook I think works better as a speedy winger. Long term I think they’re linemates.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

That needs to happen tomorrow.

Slaf-Suzuki-Caufield
Newhook-Dach-Roy

Do that until Laine is back and re-assess.

This trade will look even better when Newhook is a speed threat on a cohesive 3rd line, that will happen no later than next season when Demidov arrives.

But since we have such a small top-6 — do we really want a player like Newhook on the 3rd line? Just seems like he isn’t a great fit

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

But since we have such a small top-6 — do we really want a player like Newhook on the 3rd line? Just seems like he isn’t a great fit

Roy and Dach are decent sized players. No issue with that line size wise. Slaf is big and goes on the first.

Next year, Demidov comes in. Laine will be here. Won’t surprise me if Roy and Newhook go to the third line.