Player Discussion Alex Newhook

[DramaticGloveSave]

Then again due to the situation of Mailloux, he was seen more of a mid 1st than 31st. But yeah probable

The Mailloux situation was clearly unique and an outlier. Look at the history of picks 31 and 37, the chance of landing an NHL regular is extremely low.

As well, there’s a massive tier drop in the mid 20s this draft IMO. It’s a great draft because of the early/mid first round.

 

[Natey]

Imo hugo just got back our younger version Lehkonen with much higher upside on offence.
How anyone in here could be upset with this bc of 2 flippant 30s picks that might be "at best" as talented as Newhook and still 4 years away from newhook today.

Beck now becomes a very shiny prospect in any trade hugo might like.

Again, a breath if fresh air to have a real builder as our braintrust.

Makes zero sense. Newhook is nowhere near the same kind of player as Lehkonen lol

 

[malcb33]

Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher have no long term future with the team.

Regardless of a future with the team or not (and I agree with you, they don't) they are still winger contracts on the books and mostly not only just for this year either.

My preference would have to been to invest the assets into area of need, such as a young RHD (like Fabbro) or a promising young goalie even. Wingers tend to be the easiest assets to obtain, and where Montreal likely has the option of picking Michkov or Leonard (or Reinbacher which could make sense) it would have made more sense to focus the assets elsewhere IMO.

 

[Natey]

I hope the contract situation gets worked out sooner than later. It definitely worries me a bit.. one of the more brutal parts of trading for older players is that they're going to get paid and our cap situation still... sucks.

Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher have no long term future with the team.

Maybe not.

But their contracts do.

Hoffman is tradeable, especially at the deadline this year.

But Armia still has 2 years and Gallagher has 4 years at a big hit.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I had a higher grade for Newhook than I do for Zach Benson. Imagine getting an NHL ready 22 year old Zach Benson for 2 picks in the 30s. Great deal.

Good way of putting it.

Is Benson really that more promising? People are treating him almost like a reclamation project. He hasn’t even had a chance yet.

Does Benson really have a better draft profile than Newhook? And if he does by how much? Couldn’t be anything truly significant

 

[Natey]

Good way of putting it.

Is Benson really that more promising? People are treating him almost like a reclamation project. He hasn’t even had a chance yet.

Does Benson really have a better draft profile than Newhook? And if he does by how much? Couldn’t be anything truly significant

Again, they're nothing alike. Benson is a 3 zone player with hockey IQ off the charts. And the best passer since McDavid.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Good way of putting it.

Is Benson really that more promising? People are treating him almost like a reclamation project. He hasn’t even had a chance yet.

Does Benson really have a better draft profile than Newhook? And if he does by how much? Couldn’t be anything truly significant

They are different players, but both smaller top 6 winger types, and both of the same “tier” draft wise. I prefer Newhook- better skater, better shot- but Benson would get the edge for playmaking and compete level even if Newhook is good in both those areas as well.

@Mrb1p how would compare Newhook to Benson as prospects? I know you were/are a big fan of both.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I am not too sure that I agree with that, perhaps allow for him to surprise you this season when presented with more opportunity to showcase his complete skill set.

He was definitely on my radar as a prime candidate to take a significant step in the next year or two even before this trade. He has been buried in a deep lineup and has been used mostly as a checker.This results in scoring chances that are more typical of a counter attack off of the rush as opposed to having better linemates/matchups where he can work with sustained possession in the offensive zone.

This really could be a huge win if he blossoms, if not we have a legitimate top 9 speedster which is also a win when drafting in the area of the picks that we surrendered.

I think he has a lot more to give than 30 pts and 14 goals, that's for sure. I said in the other thread that what I'm hoping for eventually is a 50-60 pt burner. Maybe he has more in the tank a la Pacioretty, but we'll see.

 

[Natey]

@DramaticGloveSave What you laughing at?

"Benson's the best non-McDavid playmaker I've ever tracked. Second all-time in expected primary assists per 60 (5v5 only, 3000-plus players), which basically measures passes for scoring chances." - Mitchell Brown.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

@DramaticGloveSave What you laughing at?

"Benson's the best non-McDavid playmaker I've ever tracked. Second all-time in expected primary assists per 60 (5v5 only, 3000-plus players), which basically measures passes for scoring chances." - Mitchell Brown.

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McDavids otherworldly speed is what opens up passing lanes. Benson won’t have that advantage at the next level.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I think he has a lot more to give than 30 pts and 14 goals, that's for sure. I said in the other thread that what I'm hoping for eventually is a 50-60 pt burner. Maybe he has more in the tank a la Pacioretty, but we'll see.

Very impressed with the highlights. Scored some gorgeous goals. I’m taking Sakic making us pay as a good sign.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

@DramaticGloveSave What you laughing at?

"Benson's the best non-McDavid playmaker I've ever tracked. Second all-time in expected primary assists per 60 (5v5 only, 3000-plus players), which basically measures passes for scoring chances." - Mitchell Brown.

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He'll be too busy trying to reach the box of cereals he wants on the third to last shelf at the grocery store to do any playmaking.

 

[Mudz]

Imo hugo just got back our younger version Lehkonen with much higher upside on offence.
How anyone in here could be upset with this bc of 2 flippant 30s picks that might be "at best" as talented as Newhook and still 4 years away from newhook today.

Beck now becomes a very shiny prospect in any trade hugo might like.

Again, a breath of fresh air to have a real builder as our braintrust.

Yeah Lehkonen is the vibe I got so far. With Byron speed. Release kind look like Cammalleri

 

[KevSkillz4]

Yeah Lehkonen is the vibe I got so far. With Byron speed. Release kind look like Cammalleri

We can all hope a 25g, 25a potential for Newhook. Maybe even more. He have really good shot, another great move by master Hughes!

 

[LaP]

The Mailloux situation was clearly unique and an outlier. Look at the history of picks 31 and 37, the chance of landing an NHL regular is extremely low.

As well, there’s a massive tier drop in the mid 20s this draft IMO. It’s a great draft because of the early/mid first round.

It's about 10-15% depending on the year which is still very high imo. More than likely closer to 15% this year.

Every year there's 2-3 good players in the next 30 picks. Here's some of the players who were still available at the 37th selection and who were drafted not more than 30 picks after that selection (37-67 which also include 31st obviously).

2003 : Patrice Bergeron, David Backes, Shea Weber,
2004 : Carl Soderberg, Brandon Dubinsky, Alex Goligoski, David Krejci
2005 : Paul Stastny, Letang
2006 : Lucic, Anisimov, Petry,
2007 : Subban, Wayne Simmonds,
2008 : Josi, Justin Schultz, Stepan, Scandella,
2009 : Silfverberg, Orlov, Tatar, Tyson Barrie, McNabb, Brian Dumoulin
2010 : Toffoli, Justin Faulk, Zucker
2011 : Jenner, Saad, William Karlsson, Nikita Kucherov, Vincent Trocheck
2012 : Severson, McCabe
2013 : Lehkonen, Bertuzzi, Pesce
2014 : Montour, Dvorak
2015 : Carlo, Hintz, Dunn, Rasmus Andersson
2016 : DeBrincat, Girard, Dillon Dube, Hronek, Adam Fox

I think people grossly underrate the chance to land a good player in the 2nd round specially in the early 2nd round. The chances are obviously a lot lower than in the middle of the first round but there's still 2-3 good players there pretty much every year. Again Newhook will have to be more than a 3rd line player for this trade to be considered good by me.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Yeah Lehkonen is the vibe I got so far. With Byron speed. Release kind look like Cammalleri

If he really have all that, why Avs traded him?
I mean, I can beleive the player didn't have room in the Avs line-up to show his talent, maybe Avs are not seing his true potential, who knows. What I know is MSL is the perfect coach for that kind of player who can shine with a new team. Ex Caufield and Dach.

 

[LaP]

If he really have all that, why Avs traded him?
I mean, I can beleive the player didn't have room in the Avs line-up to show his talent, maybe Avs are not seing his true potential, who knows. What I know is MSL is the perfect coach for that kind of player who can shine with a new team. Ex Caufield and Dach.

There was room for Newhook last year. People saying otherwise did not watch them. There was definitely without any doubt a spot open for him after Kadri and Burakovsky left and Landeskog got injured. It was also clearly the plan by Sakic for Newhook to take that spot.

Avs top 6 last year (offensively speaking) was :

MacKinnon
Rantannen
Compher (historically a 3rd line player who is 28)
Lehkonen
Nishuskin (missed half the year)
Evan Rodrigues (historically a 3rd line player who is 29)

With Landeskog injured last year and Nishuskin who missed almost half the season Avs top 6 was uber weak last year. I mean i'm sorry but if you can't beat Evan Rodrigues then the problem is not that the spot is not open it's just that you did not take it.

Now why did Newhook not make his way into what was a clearly open spot in the top 6? Is it age? Is it experience? Is it talent? Time will tell. Either Sakic is wrong or KH is wrong there. If Sakic believed Newhook still had the potentiel to be a 50+ points player he would not have traded him for a 31st and 37 overall picks for sure imo. Let's hope that mister Sakic is the one in the wrong here. But i like Sakic a lot as a GM and i'm not sure i'm willing to say he's clearly in the wrong here. I hope he is and this trade is not Dvorak 2.0 at least Newhook is still young.

 

[Wats]

Yeah Lehkonen is the vibe I got so far. With Byron speed. Release kind look like Cammalleri

Nah no way his shot is as good as Cammalleri. He had a laser slapper/one timer.

 

[themilosh]

Makes zero sense. Newhook is nowhere near the same kind of player as Lehkonen lol

Better skater, better play maker.

If he really have all that, why Avs traded him?
I mean, I can beleive the player didn't have room in the Avs line-up to show his talent, maybe Avs are not seing his true potential, who knows. What I know is MSL is the perfect coach for that kind of player who can shine with a new team. Ex Caufield and Dach.

It's very simple - Newhook doesn't "fit" with Colorado. His talents and positives he brings to their team are not being utilized correctly.
This is how real GMs work with each other to make hockey trades; Personalities, salaries, Age, playoff window, SC run window, etc...
Colorado and MTL had an an excellent trade last yr, and they figured lets work together again. These GMs are not trying to fleece one another. It's a culture shift, and shock to the media. Hugo is modernizing the CH.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

It's about 10-15% depending on the year which is still very high imo. More than likely closer to 15% this year.

Every year there's 2-3 good players in the next 30 picks. Here's some of the players who were still available at the 37th selection and who were drafted not more than 30 picks after that selection (37-67 which also include 31st obviously).

2003 : Patrice Bergeron, David Backes, Shea Weber,
2004 : Carl Soderberg, Brandon Dubinsky, Alex Goligoski, David Krejci
2005 : Paul Stastny, Letang
2006 : Lucic, Anisimov, Petry,
2007 : Subban, Wayne Simmonds,
2008 : Josi, Justin Schultz, Stepan, Scandella,
2009 : Silfverberg, Orlov, Tatar, Tyson Barrie, McNabb, Brian Dumoulin
2010 : Toffoli, Justin Faulk, Zucker
2011 : Jenner, Saad, William Karlsson, Nikita Kucherov, Vincent Trocheck
2012 : Severson, McCabe
2013 : Lehkonen, Bertuzzi, Pesce
2014 : Montour, Dvorak
2015 : Carlo, Hintz, Dunn, Rasmus Andersson
2016 : DeBrincat, Girard, Dillon Dube, Hronek, Adam Fox

I think people grossly underrate the chance to land a good player in the 2nd round specially in the early 2nd round. The chances are obviously a lot lower than in the middle of the first round but there's still 2-3 good players there pretty much every year. Again Newhook will have to be more than a 3rd line player for this trade to be considered good by me.

This is not how it works lol you can’t just list every possible name. Here however is the list of every 31st pick: NHL Players selected at the 31st draft position at hockeydb.com

Here’s a list of every 37th pick:

NHL Players selected at the 37th draft position at hockeydb.com

All players selected with the 37th position in the NHL draft

www.hockeydb.com

Now randomly pick a player from each list.

That’s what we likely gave up.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Only one player selected 31st over the last 30 years scored over 100 points in their entire careers, and that’s George Laraque.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Only one player selected 31st over the last 30 years scored over 100 points in their entire careers, and that’s George Laraque.

That’s insane to the point where I almost don’t believe it.

 

[DAChampion]

I'm more ok with this trade than I was yesterday. The way I see it now, this helps balance the lineup more, decreasing the possibility that players like Dach, Slafkovsky, etc are playing with scrubs.

Only one player selected 31st over the last 30 years scored over 100 points in their entire careers, and that’s George Laraque.

How about players selected 28-34 in the period 2008-2017.

That's a better sample.

Take the number of good players, and then divide by 70 for the odds of getting a good player at 31.

 

[Natey]

Better skater, better play maker.

Doesn't change my statement. Of course he was (supposed to be anyway, we will see if that translates). But their overall style of hockey is vastly different.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Again, they're nothing alike. Benson is a 3 zone player with hockey IQ off the charts. And the best passer since McDavid.

ok now. thats enough