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Let's hope he doesn't end up like Alex Newbust.
Player Discussion Alex Newhook
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Estimated_Prophet
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He was playing on the second line most of last season. I like the trade but he is here because he was not good enough for COL right now let s face it
No he wasn't....he spent the vast majority of the season with a combination of Cogliano,O'Connor and Eller on the 3rd line. Compher and Rodrigues are the ones who mostly moved up in the lineup. He did play with Rantanen at times but mostly when they were playing with 10 forwards and Rantanen was double shifting with the 3rd line.
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And a Stanley cup winner. Dach was exposed to CHI, Matheson to PIT, Newhook to COL and Caufield / Suzuki has their cup final around Perry / Weber / Price.
1, one, uno different player from last year.
1 dont think Newhook moves the needle at all.
Edmunsen will be in until tdl so who is out? Harris? Barron?
figure improvement for some, sophomore jinx for a few and normal regression to the old bad ones like Gallagher, Savard (on 1st pairing equals disaster).
And Compher and Rodriguez are CRAP but got top minutes. Can't evaulate a player based on how clueless Bednar used them.
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Among the young guns, there was a lack of speed so Newhook should add some to a lineup that needs it. Looking forward to him and Dach next season, hoping we see breakouts from both.
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Rodrigues has the IQ to play with good players and Compher is a very good third liner who had earned the chance to move up. They are 29 and 28 respectively compared to Newhook who turned 22 midseason and was only entering his second full season in the NHL.
It is just a fact that Newhook has yet to have a real opportunity in an offensive role due to the strength of the top of the Avs lineup. He was the 16th pick in a stacked first round and was outstanding at Boston College following the draft. People acting like he is a disappointment are being foolish. There is a reason the Avs price was high and there is a reason that Hughes met that price.
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I would never have imagined having Dach, Newhook and Caufield back in 2019. Actually, I would have claimed the rebuild half way done at that point if we got out of the draft with those three. There's a lot of upside there.
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Here’s some Newhook highlights from his freshman year where he looked like one of the elite prospects in hockey…. If anyone else is needing a skilled forward prospect fix…
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Love NH but idk how we make it work roster wise. I don't think ive ever seen him or Slaf play RW.
26Mats
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Gallagher's on the 4th line. Not worried about him regressing. If he regresses even more, he can go in the stands...
I see more players improving with experience than regressing...
The main difference from last year, if this lineup is to be a bubble team, has to be health.
@The Great Weal , @Captain Mountain and @marvelousmotion
Clearly the price to acquire him is way lower than the price they payed for Drouin. That I dont dispute. Sure, as a draft junkie it ain’t fun to lose two of the best picks a day before the draft, but like I said picks should never get in the way of making the team better.
He did get a small audition as second center of the Avs and wasn’t able to take that chance. I don’t blame him for that, it’s only his second season and it’s a tough ask. It’s extremely easy to lose confidence in this league especially for young players. Not taking that chance and rapidly falling through the line-up didn’t help him.
And yes he didn’t get the best wingers, but the Avalanche spent the whole year battling injuries. The guys he got on his line at some point in the season were the best they had (except what the first line).
What I have a problem with, is how he played. Even on the third or fourth line and especially in the playoffs he wasn’t able to create much.
For now he is primarily a rush and set play player. He had trouble every game I watched to maintain sustained pressure in the zone because he wasn’t able to win battles.
He does bring speed to a line up that isn’t always the fastest, which should be a good weapon to use. Most of the offense in the NHL is created with cycling and board plays, that’s what I want to see from him.
If he can work on that, that will tip the scale for me. Because players who only produce on the rush will have their moments, but won’t be able to sustain it in an environment where there’s less space on the ice (like the playoffs).
Maybe those two picks become better, but that would be an anomaly as Newhook is already in a good spot production wise when you consider age.
And I’ll even say that yes you need different things to win, but winning puck battles will make him reach an other level.
He could have 40pts next year and I would be satisfied if he can create elsewhere than only rush/set plays.
That’s where my sentiments towards the trade lies. Most teams that win in the playoffs do because they can play any style some players will be weaker than others at some things and thats fine.
I have no doubt that I’ll be in the GDT next season and say wow what a game by Newhook, he’s not a bad player. It’s just they are trying to build a contender and I expect some things from players if they want to be part of the long term plan.
Hopefully he does, because he has a good shot, good hands and great speed. I’d be nothing but happy if he succeeds.
Clearly the price to acquire him is way lower than the price they payed for Drouin. That I dont dispute. Sure, as a draft junkie it ain’t fun to lose two of the best picks a day before the draft, but like I said picks should never get in the way of making the team better.
He did get a small audition as second center of the Avs and wasn’t able to take that chance. I don’t blame him for that, it’s only his second season and it’s a tough ask. It’s extremely easy to lose confidence in this league especially for young players. Not taking that chance and rapidly falling through the line-up didn’t help him.
And yes he didn’t get the best wingers, but the Avalanche spent the whole year battling injuries. The guys he got on his line at some point in the season were the best they had (except what the first line).
What I have a problem with, is how he played. Even on the third or fourth line and especially in the playoffs he wasn’t able to create much.
For now he is primarily a rush and set play player. He had trouble every game I watched to maintain sustained pressure in the zone because he wasn’t able to win battles.
He does bring speed to a line up that isn’t always the fastest, which should be a good weapon to use. Most of the offense in the NHL is created with cycling and board plays, that’s what I want to see from him.
If he can work on that, that will tip the scale for me. Because players who only produce on the rush will have their moments, but won’t be able to sustain it in an environment where there’s less space on the ice (like the playoffs).
Maybe those two picks become better, but that would be an anomaly as Newhook is already in a good spot production wise when you consider age.
And I’ll even say that yes you need different things to win, but winning puck battles will make him reach an other level.
He could have 40pts next year and I would be satisfied if he can create elsewhere than only rush/set plays.
That’s where my sentiments towards the trade lies. Most teams that win in the playoffs do because they can play any style some players will be weaker than others at some things and thats fine.
I have no doubt that I’ll be in the GDT next season and say wow what a game by Newhook, he’s not a bad player. It’s just they are trying to build a contender and I expect some things from players if they want to be part of the long term plan.
Hopefully he does, because he has a good shot, good hands and great speed. I’d be nothing but happy if he succeeds.
26Mats
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The top 9
centers: Suzuki, Dach, Monahan/Dvo
RW: Monahan/Dvo, Anderson, Newhook/RHP
LW: Caufield, Slaf, RHP/Newhook
if Slaf and Newhook can't play RW, RHP can, no?
DailyKaizen
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Slaf Newhook Dach with Dach Newhook switching center RW depending on game situation.
26Mats
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I like it, lots of speed. just wonder if they need a vet. They're all very young.
Our 3 top 9 vets are Monahan, Anderson, and Dvo. MSL may want one on each line.
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Caufield - Suzuki - Newhook
Slafkovsky/RHP - Dach - Monahan
Slafkovsky/RHP - Dvorak - Anderson
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Thanks.
So in essence....we didn't care about our analytics department when it was time to acquire him...lol
26Mats
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my thoughts (my 2 cents):
- Newhook may be too small to play with nick and cole
- I'd like to keep RHP with Anderson because of how much he helped Anderson. But if Anderson can do as well with other players, cool.
- Given we have 5 good wingers plus Dvo who I want to get his trade value up, I'd go with a center line of Suzuki, Dach, Monahan so all the wingers and Dvo get to play with a good offensive C.
Monahan playing well as a C, Dvo producing at a pace of 50+ points per 82 games on the wing, and Anderson producing could give us 3 good trade chips come TDL.
Evidently not, but I’m guessing it’s a mixture of analytics not always telling the full story (it should be used as A tool, and not THE tool in every case) and this regime believing he was being held back in Colorado and that a change of scenery here with Marty as a coach could be just what the doctor ordered.
I wasn’t thrilled about the trade either, but I guess we’ll see.
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