Player Discussion Alex Newhook

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

This is most interesting about him as he didn't really play with good players consistently to artificially inflate his points.

Hoffman needs to be moved, even if it's 50% retained for futures.

 

[marvelousmotion]

Bergevin also acquired 22 years old, former 1st round pick, all-time habs Jonathan Drouin.

That one didn’t work that well. Doesn’t mean Newhook won’t, but this isn’t sure science.

Dach had more tools and potential. Hopefully that new start will give him a confidence boost and he’ll be able to reach part of his potential.

Drouin was something else and not in the same situations as Dach, Newhook or Danault. He was already averaging over 18 mins a night playing in Tampa's top 6 before the trade, was 2nd in goals and 3rd in points on that team. He got traded by Yzerman because of his attitude issues (thinking he deserved special treatments without putting in the effort, pouting and complaining when things did not go his way, refusing to report to the AHL etc.), not because he wasn't moving the needle yet as referenced by @BargainBinSpecial.

Newhook was averaging below 14 mins a game with Colarado. Of course it's not a sure shot, but kid has a good attitude and is willing to put in the work to improve, Hughes knows him well as his former agent. I like the odds and this trade carries way less risk than the Drouin one.

What really hurts with the Drouin trade is that we gave up Sergachev (9th overall pick in 2016 who was our only high-end prospect at the time with the potential to replace Markov). It would have carried less risk and not hurt the team at all if say we had traded our 1st round pick in 2017 instead (25th overall Ryan Poehling).

 

[The Great Weal]

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This is most interesting about him as he didn't really play with good players consistently to artificially inflate his points.

Hoffman needs to be moved, even if it's 50% retained for futures.

This is where I'm kind of confused where some people say "well Newhook had the chance to be the 2C on a team that desperately needed it but he didn't do a good enough job". These line combos show that he clearly didn't have the chance.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Bergevin also acquired 22 years old, former 1st round pick, all-time habs Jonathan Drouin.

That one didn’t work that well. Doesn’t mean Newhook won’t, but this isn’t sure science.

Dach had more tools and potential. Hopefully that new start will give him a confidence boost and he’ll be able to reach part of his potential.

Drouin had far more favourable deployment, Bergevin immediately overpaid Drouin, and he gave up a recent top-10 pick/blue chip prospect.

Newhook was, prior to making the NHL, generally viewed as top-10/15 prospect. He's got very high end tools, its putting them together in the NHL that's been a struggle.

 

[The Great Weal]

Bergevin also acquired 22 years old, former 1st round pick, all-time habs Jonathan Drouin.

That one didn’t work that well. Doesn’t mean Newhook won’t, but this isn’t sure science.

Dach had more tools and potential. Hopefully that new start will give him a confidence boost and he’ll be able to reach part of his potential.

I mean we also gave up recent top 10 pick Sergachev for Drouin, we're talking about 2 early 2nds for Newhook here.

Dach's size is what made him more enticing, not his offensive skillset. People were shitting themselves thinking he'd never score a goal since he's never really been a great goalscorer and then he had those wrist injuries. Newhook's shot is probably his best asset.

 

[SlafySZN]

This is where I'm kind of confused where some people say "well Newhook had the chance to be the 2C on a team that desperately needed it but he didn't do a good enough job". These line combos show that he clearly didn't have the chance.

and averaging 12-13 minutes a night is not 2nd line.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Hoping for 50 pts next season.

Play him in the top 6 with either Suzuki or Dach, and give him regular pp time.

 

[rve24]

When did 190lbs become small

Since someone read it from someone else?
I think it's probly close to average and he is built well for an under 6 ft F.

Does any1 have average size for an NHL F.?

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Ya a bit under average but does that matter or is it old school thinking?
I like Aaron Wards thoughts on the issue.

 

[cphabs]

He was playing on the second line most of last season. I like the trade but he is here because he was not good enough for COL right now let s face it

Face what?

 

[1909]

Newhook has some good potential. It's up to Habs coaching to spark it and give him the proper role in the top-six. Possibly as a winger.

 

[HuGort]

If Newhook don't work out Hughes will lose a lot of his popularity on here. He paid significant amount for him. A lot of talent available when those picks came up

 

[Habs Halifax]

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This is most interesting about him as he didn't really play with good players consistently to artificially inflate his points.

Hoffman needs to be moved, even if it's 50% retained for futures.

Thanks for sharing. I was wondering how much RW he has played. Seems like a lot! This is good news.

Newhook has some good potential. It's up to Habs coaching to spark it and give him the proper role in the top-six. Possibly as a winger.

He's going to play way more wing than center with us. He's a winger that can play center if you have injuries which is a good asset. I like that he can play all 3... LW, C, RW.

I think he gets paired with Dach and maybe RHP. Dach as a right handed shot and Newhook as a left handed shot will help in the faceoff areas.

 

[CoopersFalls]

Newhook essentially replaces Drouin, so it's a clear upgrade.

 

[Jaynki]

Not so long ago people were mad we picked Caufield over him because WJC

And now those same people are mad we acquired him.

Are you surprised ?

If i have learnt something.

Whatever the Habs do, it suck ass. And while everyone are criticising and letting go of their rage and angerness over hockey...

Here we are with this U24 core. Its massive and promising.

Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slaf, Newhook

Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson

Obviously its still infant and need more seasoning. But in two years, if they have grown well, all our bad contract will be terminated and we will be in the market for the top UFA or a big acquisition on the trade market.

Something very solid is getting built here.

 

[26Mats]

Nice to have a speedster to replace Byron.

Hopefully he has a little more overall offense to his game than Byron had.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

If Newhook don't work out Hughes will lose a lot of his popularity on here. He paid significant amount for him. A lot of talent available when those picks came up

Like who Cristall? I’d much rather Newhook.

A lot of goalies went early 2nd but getting Fowler at 69 offsets that too.

 

[26Mats]

Newhook essentially replaces Drouin, so it's a clear upgrade.

The forward lines and d pairings are very solid, considering we're in a rebuild.

Caufield - Suzuki - Dvo/Money
Newhook - Dach - Slaf
RHP - Money/Dvo - Anderson
Gally - Evans - Ylonen
Pez
Laval: Pitlick, Hoffman, Armia

Guhle - Savard
Matheson - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris
Eddy, Kovy

Monty
Allen or Primeau

Dvo, Eddy, and Allen should be moved. But their trade value isn't great now. So we may have to put young players in Laval until they can get their trade values up.

Pitlick, Hoffman and Armia are immovable and will never get their trade value up. They shouldn't be taking away ice time from young players and should be in Laval.

 

[Jaynki]

Hughes gave up too much for a player who hasn't exactly moved the needle in the Avs offensive dynamo. Dach turned it out around, but as with BargainBin these trades rarely work. See Gurianov. Hopefully, Newhook finds his niche here because he has that opportunity to do so, but the Avs got two players in the top40 of this year's deep draft. It's time the Habs stop going after players who need a second chance.

BargainBin never did trade like that.

Always 1 for 1 lateral move :

Weber for Subban
Galch for Domi for Anderson
Eller VS 2x 2nd - 2x 2nd VS Shaw

And etc.

Bergie was going for cheap declining player like Hemsky, Semin, Fleischmann

Never did he something like Dach or Newhook.

 

[26Mats]

Watch Duchene, Wheeler, and Domi all go to Chicago on 1 year deals.

BargainBin never did trade like that.

Always 1 for 1 lateral move :

Weber for Subban
Galch for Domi for Anderson
Eller VS 2x 2nd - 2x 2nd VS Shaw

And etc.

Bergie was going for cheap declining player like Hemsky, Semin, Fleischmann

Never did he something like Dach or Newhook.

Hughes really looking to catch players on an upswing: Matheson, in addition to Dach, Barron, and Newhook.

Gurianov I suppose too. But we basically got him for taking Dadonov off of our hands.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

BargainBin never did trade like that.

Always 1 for 1 lateral move :

Weber for Subban
Galch for Domi for Anderson
Eller VS 2x 2nd - 2x 2nd VS Shaw

And etc.

Bergie was going for cheap declining player like Hemsky, Semin, Fleischmann

Never did he something like Dach or Newhook.

Domi was technically given a second chance in MTL. Weber also. Kent is going after younger players while BargainBin was targetting good players having slumps.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

The forward lines and d pairings are very solid, considering we're in a rebuild.

Caufield - Suzuki - Dvo/Money
Newhook - Dach - Slaf
RHP - Money/Dvo - Anderson
Gally - Evans - Ylonen
Pez
Laval: Pitlick, Hoffman, Armia

Guhle - Savard
Matheson - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris
Eddy, Kovy

Monty
Allen or Primeau

Dvo, Eddy, and Allen should be moved. But their trade value isn't great now. So we may have to put young players in Laval until they can get their trade values up.

Pitlick, Hoffman and Armia are immovable and will never get their trade value up. They shouldn't be taking away ice time from young players and should be in Laval.

Lineup looks pretty decent, but clearly too many players. Wouldn’t mind moving some of that depth on D and at C for a prospect. Something like Barron and Dvorak. Now that we have Reinbacher, Barron would be very much a trade chip for me. Wonder if the Panthers wouldn’t be interested in Barron and Dvorak for Duclair who’s apparently available.

 

[HuGort]

Like who Cristall? I’d much rather Newhook.

A lot of goalies went early 2nd but getting Fowler at 69 offsets that too.

Colorado fans say Newhook dropped the ball to move up in lineup when they had all the injuries this season. Sakic usually runs good ship.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Newhook averaged 2 seconds a game on the pk and 9th most pp time on the avs, definitely 2nd unit.

 

[26Mats]

Lineup looks pretty decent, but clearly too many players. Wouldn’t mind moving some of that depth on D and at C for a prospect. Something like Barron and Dvorak. Now that we have Reinbacher, Barron would be very much a trade chip for me. Wonder if the Panthers wouldn’t be interested in Barron and Dvorak for Duclair who’s apparently available.

My sense is that Eddie and Dvo have very low trade value right now.

My guess is they need to play this year and play well, and then they will have trade value.

We need C's (given Monahan's fragile health), yet we all want to move Dvo. I think that says a lot about his value. But, I've always thought he could put up 45 - 60 points playing with offensive players on the wing, in particular Suzuki and Caufield. He did score at a 48 points per 82 games pace his first year in Montreal.

And we've got about 9M in cap space. You know Hughes is itching to take on a bad contract for a 1st. Any contenders in cap hell?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

My sense is that Eddie and Dvo have very low trade value right now.

My guess is they need to play this year and play well, and then they will have trade value.

We need C's (given Monahan's fragile health), yet we all want to move Dvo. I think that says a lot about his value. But, I've always thought he could put up 45 - 60 points playing with offensive players on the wing, in particular Suzuki and Caufield. He did score at a 48 points per 82 games pace his first year in Montreal.

And we've got about 9M in cap space. You know Hughes is itching to take on a bad contract for a 1st. Any contenders in cap hell?

Barron has some value so he’d be the guy to move I think. Dvorak I don’t think is quite negative value, so wouldn’t mind moving for free just to move on from him. Panthers might not mind him to reunite with Tkachuk. Barron and Dvorak together could get something decent.