Player Discussion Alex Newhook

[Matthew McConaughay]

Ummm not so much.

The Dach and Newhook scenarios are almost the exact same M.O.

Hughes used draft picks as currency to acquire two centers who are former 1st round picks who have yet to break out and are the same age and are coming off of their respective ELC's. While not being 100% identical as they are not the exact same person, you can't get much closer than that. Both deals are also essentially draft day deals even though the Newhook deal was done the day before. This trade is almost a cookie cutter replica of the Dach trade. The Newhook deal is basically Dach lite 2.0

Matheson is a 10 year vet who was acquired for another high priced vet and a struggling prospect who is older and worse than both Newhook and Dach. Matheson was coming of a career year where he finally broke out and Newhook was coming off of a drop in production. The former agent connection is the only remote tie between the Matheson and Newhook trades.This wasn't an attempt to use draft capital in an attempt to expedite roster building by a few years. This was a deal that was forced upon the team by Petry and Hughes did a masterful job of maximizing his value. Hughes sought Dach and Newhook and then had to negotiate a price. He wasn't looking to pry Matheson from Pittsburgh and was forced to give up Petry and Poehling in order to do so. The Dach/Newhook deals were proactive and the Matheson deal was reactive.

Hughes trades were great, the drafting, not has impressed.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Hughes trades were great, the drafting, not has impressed.

Too early to tell with the drafting. Hutson, Beck and Engstrom were great picks last year, he will ultimately be judged on Slaf and DRB though.

 

[TomKosto]

God I hope this guy become at least a 60pts two way player, lots of high upside guy available with the picks traded.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Hughes gave up too much for a player who hasn't exactly moved the needle in the Avs offensive dynamo. Dach turned it out around, but as with BargainBin these trades rarely work. See Gurianov. Hopefully, Newhook finds his niche here because he has that opportunity to do so, but the Avs got two players in the top40 of this year's deep draft. It's time the Habs stop going after players who need a second chance.

 

[Natey]

God I hope this guy become at least a 60pts two way player, lots of high upside guy available with the picks traded.

If he becomes that, then we are golden. Even a regular 50 point player wouldn't be bad.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You think this trade could be similar to the teravainen trade?

Bickell (bad contract) plus tt
For 2nd and third

Tera had 35 pts in his d+3 season, compared to 33 for newhook in his d,+4

Tt did get 42 points in his d+4 season with Carolina

 

[JianYang]

I decided to look back at the 2016 draft since those guys should theoretically have their nhl fates decided by this time.

I looked back at the players drafted 30 something. It yielded two top 6 or higher players. The vast majority of the remaining players are ones most of us have probably never heard of.

Now, I understand it's only one draft, but it goes back to my point that let's not act like the Habs have definitely given up two future top 6 guys for Newhook..... It's more likely to be zero, historically speaking.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

God I hope this guy become at least a 60pts two way player, lots of high upside guy available with the picks traded.

No there wasn't. 60 pters at best at that point.

 

[McGees]

Here are the last decade of pick 31...(pick 37 is even worse except maybe Carlo)
No we probably weren't getting a stud there so chill y'all.

Isaac Howard
Logan Mailloux
Ozzy Weisblatt
Ryan Johnson
Alexander Alexeyev
Klim Kostin
Yegor Korshkov
Jeremy Roy
Brendan Lemieux
Ian McCoshen

 

[Guess]

Analysis on Newhook by Jack Han

I found this posted on Jack Han's twitter, he compares Newhook's style of play to Suzuki. Would be interesting if Suzuki could act as a mentor to him.

 

[ottawa]

Hughes gave up too much for a player who hasn't exactly moved the needle in the Avs offensive dynamo. Dach turned it out around, but as with BargainBin these trades rarely work. See Gurianov. Hopefully, Newhook finds his niche here because he has that opportunity to do so, but the Avs got two players in the top40 of this year's deep draft. It's time the Habs stop going after players who need a second chance.

Gurianov wasn't a risky trade, got rid of one shit contract in Dadanov to see if there was a reclamation project in Gurianov and they decided there wasn't.

 

[Guess]

Hughes trades were great, the drafting, not has impressed.

Hughes is responsible for GMing though and should defer to his scouts for picks so I don't blame him for that. I'd blame the scouts that were already there, Lapointe and Bobrov (who was probably Gorton's pick).

 

[TomKosto]

No there wasn't. 60 pters at best at that point.

All depend on perception, but I think Crystall has a higher ceilling than 60pts...to name just one.

 

[Vachon23]

Hughes trades were great, the drafting, not has impressed.

How can you say that when only 1 drafted player have played in the NHL since KH is in charge and it's Slaf

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Analysis on Newhook by Jack Han

I found this posted on Jack Han's twitter, he compares Newhook's style of play to Suzuki. Would be interesting if Suzuki could act as a mentor to him.

Newhook plays with a lot more speed although they do have similarities with their lower body strength and balance.

 

[le_sean]

And we still don't until Newhook can prove that wrong.

Then you don’t know anything about Newhook

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Then you don’t know anything about Newhook

Ok.

I'm hoping he can set personal bests this upcoming season and eat crow, assuming the new best is a decent amount better than his current, but the Habs could have used those picks, grabbed 2 assets to trade next off season.

Drafted players that progress, which is usual amongst players drafted fairly high are worth more. Could use those to get a likely better player.

 

[marvelousmotion]

Hughes gave up too much for a player who hasn't exactly moved the needle in the Avs offensive dynamo. Dach turned it out around, but as with BargainBin these trades rarely work. See Gurianov. Hopefully, Newhook finds his niche here because he has that opportunity to do so, but the Avs got two players in the top40 of this year's deep draft. It's time the Habs stop going after players who need a second chance.

Actually, the one time BargainBin managed to acquire a 22 years old, former 1st round pick centre who hasn't moved the needle yet in a stacked team, it worked out really well with Phillip Danault.

The Dach and Newhook trades are not reclamation projects. Both players are already established NHLers, the second chance that you are referring to is whether they will be able to reach their full ceiling in a new environment that will give them every opportunity to do it. Are they going to carve out a career as average middle-six players (if their development stagnates) or become good top six players (if they continue to develop)?

 

[MadMslm]

Actually, the one time BargainBin managed to acquire a 22 years old, former 1st round pick centre who hasn't moved the needle yet in a stacked team, it worked out really well with Phillip Danault.

The Dach and Newhook trades are not reclamation projects. Both players are already established NHLers, the second chance that you are referring to is whether they will be able to reach their full ceiling in a new environment that will give them every opportunity to do it. Are they going to carve out a career as average middle-six players (if their development stagnates) or become good top six players (if they continue to develop)?

Bergevin also acquired 22 years old, former 1st round pick, all-time habs Jonathan Drouin.

That one didn’t work that well. Doesn’t mean Newhook won’t, but this isn’t sure science.

Dach had more tools and potential. Hopefully that new start will give him a confidence boost and he’ll be able to reach part of his potential.

 

[DinosaurBones]

So are Habs "fans" sending this guy threats too?

Would you trade Newhook for Mikhail Gulyayev and Ethan Gauthier right now?

 

[cphabs]

I’m stoked! This guy was pulling 30 points on Avs’ 3 line…. He was basically the 3rd line. Love it! Remember when we banished CC to 3rd line duty?

 

[cphabs]

I love this kid! He did an interview shirtless after a game, and didn’t miss a beat!

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Hopefully he can develop a rapport with Dach giving us two duos in our top 6.

 

[Wats]

haha fking collberg. 0 points in 45 games in his draft year, who could have known he wouldn't make the NHL.

I think he's the main reason I hated the Slafkovsky pick, lack of points in men league pre draft.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I’m stoked! This guy was pulling 30 points on Avs’ 3 line…. He was basically the 3rd line. Love it! Remember when we banished CC to 3rd line duty?

He was playing on the second line most of last season. I like the trade but he is here because he was not good enough for COL right now let s face it