Player Discussion Alex Newhook

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I'm one of Pitlick's biggest fan, but RHP deserves that spot more than him, not even talking about Armia/Hoff

I’d rather RHP playing prime minutes in Laval than in the pressbox in MTL. Pitlick is better suited for pressbox duty.

 

[SlafySZN]

Caufield - Suzuki - Newhook
Slafkovsky/RHP - Dach - Monahan
Slafkovsky/RHP - Dvorak - Anderson

Caufield-Suzuki-Monahan
Slafovsky-Dach-Newhook

 

[cave troll]

Newhook>Benson

Just imagine we traded 31 and 37 for pick 12 and selected Benson lol

But instead of an 18 year old Benson we get a 22 year old NHL ready Newhook.

This trade is such a massive win, I’m amazed so few our realizing it.

If Newhook was anywhere that good, Avs wouldn't gave up on him.
He was starting to bust big time there and they let him go. Let's hope he can bring his mojo back, but I don't expect miracles form him.

 

[26Mats]

If Newhook was anywhere that good, Avs wouldn't gave up on him.
He was starting to bust big time there and they let him go. Let's hope he can bring his mojo back, but I don't expect miracles form him.

I think expecting 60 points this year is a reach.

I'll just hope he can go from 30 to 40. Step by step.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

I see it differently. I had Caufield well ahead of Newhook in their draft years, and Newhook made it interesting in their D+1 season. But before and since it's been all Caufield. Hobey baker, 48 goals in his last 82 games, best USNTDP goal scorer ever.

Nothing against Newhook, as I think he can bring a lot of value to our top 6, but Caufield might very well score 50 some day.

I agree that the goalscoring does put Caufield in a category of his own within our team and even the league.

Still, Newhook's D+1 and D+2 definitely correspond to a potential top-6 forward and probable 1st line contributor, like Caufield. The tools are certainly still there as well, and he'll add a very interesting speed element.

Personally I would've kept 31 and 37 BUT my point is; we weren't getting anyone with higher potential.

 

[Montreal Impact FC]

If Newhook was anywhere that good, Avs wouldn't gave up on him.
He was starting to bust big time there and they let him go. Let's hope he can bring his mojo back, but I don't expect miracles form him.

2nd nhl season a slight downgrade could it just be a sophomore jynx? Wouldnt be the first or last time. Started at 20 now 22. Come on. Thats nothing how many season did we played Kotkaniemi before he left and some people still believe he can become something. Why bot new hook when he showed a lot more than Kotaniemi ever did. I got hopes hughes know what he is doing.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If Newhook was anywhere that good, Avs wouldn't gave up on him.
He was starting to bust big time there and they let him go. Let's hope he can bring his mojo back, but I don't expect miracles form him.

Bednar used a waste like Compher 20 min a game. What Newhook did with Colorado is irrelevant. What he does this season will tell the tale.

 

[Zilo44]

I agree that the goalscoring does put Caufield in a category of his own within our team and even the league.

Still, Newhook's D+1 and D+2 definitely correspond to a potential top-6 forward and probable 1st line contributor, like Caufield. The tools are certainly still there as well, and he'll add a very interesting speed element.

Personally I would've kept 31 and 37 BUT my point is; we weren't getting anyone with higher potential.

Newhook has higher upside than the guys picked up in that range IMO

 

[KevSkillz4]

Newhook has higher upside than the guys picked up in that range IMO

Agree with you. That's a very very good trade by Hughes. Dach is maybe more a futur 1st liner than him, but Newhook have tools to become a very solid top 6 player for Habs. I'm high on him, one of my favorite prospect in a great year draft (2019). Habs have 3 pick in 1st round with Dach (3), Caufield (15) and Newhook (16).

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Newhook has higher upside than the guys picked up in that range

Agreed. If he can grow his game this year, I think he can be a top-6 staple, especially with Dach. We still need one more elite producer imo, ideally with size.

Now, we have a plethora of similar-ish u23 forwards who would ideally need to play in an offensive role;
Newhook, Farrell, Roy, Kidney, Mesar, Heineman...

Right now, I would keep Newhook, Roy and Heineman. The other 3 can be traded with picks or a defenseman to find that last top-6 piece.

 

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2nd nhl season a slight downgrade could it just be a sophomore jynx? Wouldnt be the first or last time. Started at 20 now 22. Come on. Thats nothing how many season did we played Kotkaniemi before he left and some people still believe he can become something. Why bot new hook when he showed a lot more than Kotaniemi ever did. I got hopes hughes know what he is doing.

Not to mention coming off a cup win, he likely had a less than ideal offseason (see Savard, David)

 

[Player 61]

This Realy Nice gentleman!

 

[Adam Michaels]

He was playing on the second line most of last season. I like the trade but he is here because he was not good enough for COL right now let s face it

He wasn't second line most of the season. He averaged under 14 mins of TOI last year. That's not second line.

He did get to play in the top-6. But most of the season, he was on the 3rd line.

 

[Runner77]

I just hate it that Hughes had to wrestle with Sakic the Fleecer. It always leaves a lingering doubt that he knows something that we don’t, that mitigates his downside risk. Hoping Newhook makes the Avs regret giving up on him.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I agree that the goalscoring does put Caufield in a category of his own within our team and even the league.

Still, Newhook's D+1 and D+2 definitely correspond to a potential top-6 forward and probable 1st line contributor, like Caufield. The tools are certainly still there as well, and he'll add a very interesting speed element.

Personally I would've kept 31 and 37 BUT my point is; we weren't getting anyone with higher potential.

I don't know that that's true. I doubt it's true that there was no one available with higher upside, but even if there were we might not have picked them.

Ultimately with our record picking forwards, we probably come out ahead by trading the picks for Newhook.

 

[Andy]

I just hate it that Hughes had to wrestle with Sakic the Fleecer. It always leaves a lingering doubt that he knows something that we don’t, that mitigates his downside risk. Hoping Newhook makes the Avs regret giving up on him.

Could you not give Hughes some rope considering the trades for Dach, Monahan, and Matheson?

 

[Habs Icing]

Lineup looks pretty decent, but clearly too many players. Wouldn’t mind moving some of that depth on D and at C for a prospect. Something like Barron and Dvorak. Now that we have Reinbacher, Barron would be very much a trade chip for me. Wonder if the Panthers wouldn’t be interested in Barron and Dvorak for Duclair who’s apparently available.

Three things wrong with that trade proposal.

1) Overpayment.
2) Barron is developing nicely and now that we have our bare allotment of RHDs, you want to trade one and go back to when we were missing one.
3) Duclair is two months away from 28 years old and has proven himself to be a 30-40 point player with a 50 point outlier season.

 

[Andy]

Lineup looks pretty decent, but clearly too many players. Wouldn’t mind moving some of that depth on D and at C for a prospect. Something like Barron and Dvorak. Now that we have Reinbacher, Barron would be very much a trade chip for me. Wonder if the Panthers wouldn’t be interested in Barron and Dvorak for Duclair who’s apparently available.

Dvorak and Barron for Duclair? Are you nuts? Duclair is such a passenger player and didn’t he just get traded for a bag of picks? So awful lol

 

[NotProkofievian]

The forward lines and d pairings are very solid, considering we're in a rebuild.

Caufield - Suzuki - Dvo/Money
Newhook - Dach - Slaf
RHP - Money/Dvo - Anderson
Gally - Evans - Ylonen
Pez
Laval: Pitlick, Hoffman, Armia

Guhle - Savard
Matheson - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris
Eddy, Kovy

Monty
Allen or Primeau

Dvo, Eddy, and Allen should be moved. But their trade value isn't great now. So we may have to put young players in Laval until they can get their trade values up.

Pitlick, Hoffman and Armia are immovable and will never get their trade value up. They shouldn't be taking away ice time from young players and should be in Laval.

That lineup looks like Macklin Celebrini to me.

 

[skidcells]

I think it might take a while for us to officially sign him. Hughes and his agent would probably have the term and aav settled but I think we want to shed some salary to fit him under the cap without placing Price on LTIR before the season starts.

 

[Archijerej]

I just hate it that Hughes had to wrestle with Sakic the Fleecer. It always leaves a lingering doubt that he knows something that we don’t, that mitigates his downside risk. Hoping Newhook makes the Avs regret giving up on him.

Perhaps.

But perhaps it's a question of different logic when you manage a contending team and don't really have time to cater to Newhook's needs. They traded away a player that doesn't move the needle for them right now, acquired good playoff depth in Colton and recuperated a late 1st round pick.

From our perspective the context is different and it will all come down to player evaluation and development.

 

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Three things wrong with that trade proposal.

1) Overpayment.
2) Barron is developing nicely and now that we have our bare allotment of RHDs, you want to trade one and go back to when we were missing one.
3) Duclair is two months away from 28 years old and has proven himself to be a 30-40 point player with a 50 point outlier season.

Part of the idea would be to get out of the Dvorak deal.

With Duclair going for so little, does look like an overpay in retrospect but you replying after the fact does what exactly?

Dvorak and Barron for Duclair? Are you nuts? Duclair is such a passenger player and didn’t he just get traded for a bag of picks? So awful lol

It’s basically Barron to get rid of Dvorak and add Duclair. Ideally with a friendly extension.

But yes, Duclair went for a pay of pucks but this was a post from before that.

 

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I just hate it that Hughes had to wrestle with Sakic the Fleecer. It always leaves a lingering doubt that he knows something that we don’t, that mitigates his downside risk. Hoping Newhook makes the Avs regret giving up on him.

Sakic didn’t give away Newhook here, we did pay up.

I think ultimately Newhook didn’t fit the Avs lineup and timeline and he will here.

I’m expecting a big year, love this trade.

 

[Habs Icing]

I just hate it that Hughes had to wrestle with Sakic the Fleecer. It always leaves a lingering doubt that he knows something that we don’t, that mitigates his downside risk. Hoping Newhook makes the Avs regret giving up on him.

That's an obvious concern but there's always Patrick Roy, the hero of many on this board. He didn't think much of Sakic. He wanted to make managerial decisions. When he didn't get his way, he quit. Now you might counter that with Roy is a hotheaded narcissist and I would agree but good Ole Joe chose him so that shows Sakic is capable of making mistakes.

Also, I don't think Hughes will ever fleece anyone (or be fleeced). He'll pay the going rate for an asset that he studied and knows is worth the ask.

Part of the idea would be to get out of the Dvorak deal.

With Duclair going for so little, does look like an overpay in retrospect but you replying after the fact does what exactly?


It’s basically Barron to get rid of Dvorak and add Duclair. Ideally with a friendly extension.

But yes, Duclair went for a pay of pucks but this was a post from before that.

Honestly, I didn't know he was traded. I just looked at your proposal.

 

[BLONG7]

I just hate it that Hughes had to wrestle with Sakic the Fleecer. It always leaves a lingering doubt that he knows something that we don’t, that mitigates his downside risk. Hoping Newhook makes the Avs regret giving up on him.

Thinking there was no way the kid was going to break into their top 6, but he can in ours............it's there for the taking.
This is similar to the Dach trade last year, but Dach has a much higher ceiling.

I have watched some video of Newhook, he is the Anti-Drouin, the guy is full of hustle and jump.