Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

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Stutzle contract situaton and Debrincat are polar opposites I dont see how they are related in any way other than its with the same organization. One player is coming off his ELC the other was a year away from complete control of his destination.

They actually dont have any time. The tiny amount of leverage Dorion had is now gone because he said he would qualify him. If he isnt going to sign they have to trade him to a team he is willing to do it with. Cant burn 3 picks including 7th OA like that.

Attendance didnt need Debrincat to increase.
You brought up Dorion and leverage. What leverage did Dorion have to sign Stuetzle a year early? Had Stuetzle waited, he's probably looking at an 11aav? Certainly 10.

They have two months to sort out whether he wants to stay. That's plenty of time to sort that out. Dorion should know heading to the draft whether DeBrincat would prefer to stay or go. If he hasn't expressed a desire to stay, then he should be moved at the draft.

As per Cap Friendly
Clubs have until the later of June 25th or the first Monday after the Entry Draft to submit Qualifying Offers
 
‘Complete control’ is an armchair GM fear. Most players have no interest in that, and a ton of interest signing a long term deal with their current team. Guys like to to hit UFA when they want to leave their current team, like Stone, Duchene, Matthew Tkachuk….

Guys like DBC have been very forthcoming about not liking moving, and wanting stability for him and his young family. He’s also said numerous times that it will come down to him seeing if the team is a fit for him longbterm.

In the end I doubt there will be any leverage games, and there will be no jostling for ‘control’ as some fear. It will come down to if DBC wants to stay with the team longbterm.

If he doesn’t he will be traded. If he does, then he and his agent know where he slots into the current and recent salary structure. I think he pretty obviously slots in between Norris and Brady based on his own history, and the current level of play of Brady, Stu, and Norris’ history.

I personally don’t see a better longbterm hockey situation for him realistically, unless it’s a lateral move to Detroit or Buffalo, but for a young family focused man it will likely come down to fit and finish for his family.

It was a great trade at the time, and still a great move now. If we can lock the 24 year old 1st line winger up longbterm we will have closed all of the major holes on the team save for a question in net (Soggy is looking more and more like our future goalie though).
 
‘Complete control’ is an armchair GM fear. Most players have no interest in that, and a ton of interest signing a long term deal with their current team. Guys like to to hit UFA when they want to leave their current team, like Stone, Duchene, Matthew Tkachuk….

Guys like DBC have been very forthcoming about not liking moving, and wanting stability for him and his young family. He’s also said numerous times that it will come down to him seeing if the team is a fit for him longbterm.

In the end I doubt there will be any leverage games, and there will be no jostling for ‘control’ as some fear. It will come down to if DBC wants to stay with the team longbterm.

If he doesn’t he will be traded. If he does, then he and his agent know where he slots into the current and recent salary structure. I think he pretty obviously slots in between Norris and Brady based on his own history, and the current level of play of Brady, Stu, and Norris’ history.

I personally don’t see a better longbterm hockey situation for him realistically, unless it’s a lateral move to Detroit or Buffalo, but for a young family focused man it will likely come down to fit and finish for his family.

It was a great trade at the time, and still a great move now. If we can lock the 24 year old 1st line winger up longbterm we will have closed all of the major holes on the team save for a question in net (Soggy is looking more and more like our future goalie though).
Dude, what's with the extra b ? That's funny actually. 4 times, same word
 
Which of Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson and Zub do you not consider a top 4 defender? Or do you want 5 top 4 defenders?

Demko has been awful since returning from surgery. Gibson has been under 905 save percentage for 5 years now.
Demko is 11-4-2 with a .918 sv% since returning from injury. If that’s awful sign me up.
 
We’re in a tough situation.

He’s not worth the $9M, particularly with our team salary structure.

He never elected to come to Ottawa.

He probably realizes that he’s lower on the depth chart than he would like, and might not see time on the #1 line, which isn't great for his production or future earnings.

It’s not as good a fit as it was in Chicago, so why not try somewhere else where you would be a #1 winger option.
 
We’re in a tough situation.

He’s not worth the $9M, particularly with our team salary structure.

He never elected to come to Ottawa.

He probably realizes that he’s lower on the depth chart than he would like, and might not see time on the #1 line, which isn't great for his production or future earnings.

It’s not as good a fit as it was in Chicago, so why not try somewhere else where you would be a #1 winger option.
In addition he likely knows he will be on the 2nd PP unit with Pinto, Giroux and Sanderson
 
In addition he likely knows he will be on the 2nd PP unit with Pinto, Giroux and Sanderson

Well, if there's an aspect of play that was clearly below my expectations it was his shooting on the PP.

I wouldn't mind seeing them shuffle up those units. Giroux looked good on that first unit, maybe even better than Stutzle.
 
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No the situations are nothing alike in any way. First of all Norris is signed. Secondly he's a two way centeman. Not a one dimensional winger who is undersized. Two very big differences.

Well in all fairness Debrincat is a scorer and distributor, Norris has shown little in the way of being a playmaker, and offensively has thus far shown to be a solid PP triggerman, but little else (in terms of being the number 1 center that year). Debrincat has more hits, more takeways. He does a lot of little things, not really a one dimensional player. Norris has generally played pretty sheltered minutes with tonnes of offensive zone starts and little to no PK time (same with Debrincat mind you).

They are both very good players just with different skill sets. You need some of everything. All things considered I'd sooner have Norris, but Debrincat probably commands as much if not more as you are buying UFA years, not RFA years like Norris.

Ya never know, there might be certain teams that he might aggressively want to extend with (maybe hometown club in Detroit)

That apparently did not last year. I think we need to take what happened last year as a sign of where his value (given the contract) was around the league. No way Detroit did not kick the tires on him and passed.

I don’t think I’m overthinking it. I’d personally prefer to move him but either way he cannot go into the year on a 1 year deal.
Why not? He has more value at trade deadline on a 1 year deal than he does in the summer signed to a one year deal.
 
The only option if he won't sign a long term deal here is to trade him to a team that he is willing to do it with. We all know how great Dorion is with no leverage. Lol. They gotta get what they can for him. Arb is not an option. Just results in a disgruntled player. What a terrible decision it was to trade for him with no extension. So dumb.
Without ADC Giroux might not have signed here, it’s likely what put Giroux’s decision over the top.
 
If you trade Cat, just a few months later this entire board will be complaining about missing a top 6 F.

If the dollars make sense this is a no brainer. Having our 2 best forwards locked up for under 8.3M should be a telling sign, and Cat is already aware of this. If he wants to stay we will make it work.

I think 7.5/7.75M is fair, especially when you factor in Giroux eventually retiring.
 
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I think 7.5/7.75M is fair, especially when you factor in Giroux eventually retiring.

It really depends on what ADB thinks is fair.

Other teams will pony up more money for a two-time 40 goal scorer, so it becomes about how much he wants to stay on a team he never asked to join, playing on the 2nd line.
 
There’s no way you give DBC anything less than $8M. I think he’s probably sign for around $8.2M over 7-8 years (about the same as Tkachuk).

I’m convinced as well that Dorion has a plan to free up more cap space and it begins with dealing batherson
 
It's not the same as a college player on any level. All he needs to do is sign his QO and he walks to UFA. It's obvious....He signed the original deal because he wanted to be in this position. If a team ops for Arb the rocky relationship is even worse.

You're correct if the sens don't qualify him he is a UFA. But if they do qualify him he's basically a UFA. That's why Chicago traded him and that's why the sens should have never dealt for him if he didnt have an extention in place. That's why he should have been dealt at the deadline this year.

Only option now is a Matt Tkachuk like trade.
I really don't see how the relationship suffers opting for arbitration if you say he'll just sign his Offersheet and walk himself to UFA, if that's his plan then the relationship is already soured.

The assumption seems to be he wants out, idk if that's a fair assumption. That's how this is exactly like college UFA, people are assuming th worst case rather than letting things play out.
 
You get a contract like that once every 10 years.

A guy who can produce at a top six level making less than $5M? You have to find a way to keep that.
Exactly. Especially one who still got 61 points on a bum ankle.

Which in turn affected DBC's output etc. etc. etc.

I want to keep them all!
 
Well Norris is now a 2nd line centre making basically $8 per year. And he doesn't have the scoring pedigree of DBC. So should the Sens get rid of him?

No, but the fact that Norris makes 8mil is an influential factor in our ability to sign DeBrincat.

It’s a cap problem, I wish every player could be amazing and be paid 8mil

We have 4 guys making that now, with bigger priorities than a 2LW

Nobody ever says get rid of him, trade him and allocate the funds better throughout the lineup
 
It's been said he's just getting healthy now. You trade him, you run the risk of him absolutely exploding for another team - and why would we want that.
I've never heard of a high ankle sprain taking 14 months to heal. And regardless it certainly didn't prevent him from playing a little bit of defense.
 
We’re in a tough situation.

He’s not worth the $9M, particularly with our team salary structure.

He never elected to come to Ottawa.

He probably realizes that he’s lower on the depth chart than he would like, and might not see time on the #1 line, which isn't great for his production or future earnings.

It’s not as good a fit as it was in Chicago, so why not try somewhere else where you would be a #1 winger option.
All depends on the personality of the player. For me he is a nice player to have in your top 6. We could get by with a less costly player there. If they can keep it under 7.5 its pretty good value but it still means your prioritizing the top 6 over other areas you may want to improve ; and/or players that need extensions to keep. If they can wiggle there way around the shorter term Cap crunch while keeping DeBrincat, Acquiring a #1 goalie, improving the 3rd line depth , resigning the players they want to keep and icing a playoff team with a hope in hell .. Fantastic!

If they want to extend Sanderson early and lock him up for 8 years .. what does that mean for DeBrincat's extension and vice versa.

All kinds of decisions for our man Dorion to make in the next bit.

Man, I still really like that contract, despite his disappointing season.
Batherson is a good player. I do not think he is lazy as some here say. He needs coaching on his play without the puck and he has to be made to care about it.
 
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