Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[GCK]

People should be blaming the GM

For what, until everything is done we don’t know shit.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

These guys are competitive and have an ego: they tie their worth to the value of their contract. When Fiala signs for whatever, DBC wants to sign at least for that much. It's not that different in regular workplaces: you see a co-worker who gets a promotion and you don't, even though you put up as much work or more, you're going to be pissed even if your current salary is very decent. Just human nature.

Yes, that is very true. There's some interesting reading out there about the psychology surrounding wealth, measuring yourself against your peers and why there's so much of that thinking that its never enough.

 

[Micklebot]

If we can get a Fiala return for an extended DBC we should be extremely happy.

Definitely not a floor. It would be a win in the scheme of things for DBC.

We may get the pick, we aren’t going to get a prospect as good as Faber, near as good imo.

I'm probably not as high on Faber as you are, I think he'd be a realistic return depending on where in the first round the pick is, but otherwise agree with you

 

[SPF6ty9]

For what, until everything is done we don’t know shit.

Pierre clearly didn't do all the due diligence and dig for the potential info available to him. Again. I don't care if he somehow pulls a decent deal out of his ass, he weakened his hand by not being thorough. Again. So he clearly isn't learning.

Can't wait for Andlauer to pull the Ari Gold paintball move on Pierre.

 

[chaser17]

wife has more influence than anything else

This is a great point. 90% of these guys probably don't really care where they are as they are on the road or at the rink most of the time. Happy wife=happy life.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'm probably not as high on Faber as you are, I think he'd be a realistic return depending on where in the first round the pick is, but otherwise agree with you

I think that's a good return. Faber is a good enough prospect to make that deal worth it ; Projected Top 4 RD that can skate and defend. (+19OA)

 

[Cosmix]

Garrioch said he thinks Formenton wants a trade.

If I were Formenton, I would probably request a trade too because of the team not offering a better contract and letting him go without one.

 

[Cosmix]

I think there's a clear distinction between Cat and PLD.

PLD actively gave up during a game, its why he got benched. That's just unprofessional. Cat has never done that and is more of a professional.

I think its fair for a player to not want to play in a certain area due to finances or family, but as long as they don't give up on the ice, its 'fine'. I remember when Nash wanted out of Columbus, he made it clear that he will do whatever it takes to win games on a nightly basis with the BJs, but is open to being moved as long as it benefits both sides. That's what a professional does and it seems Cat is doing that. He's not demanding a trade and by all accounts will show up and put in the work if we sign him to a 1 year deal.

I agree. By refusing to sign the offered contract and not responding with an offer of his own, is essentially indicating that he does not want to stay here after his RFA years. Demanding a trade sounds like a threat to sit out the next year of his contract (like Yashin).

 

[Union2017]

If I were Formenton, I would probably request a trade too because of the team not offering a better contract and letting him go without one.

If he did what we think he might have done, I don't want him anywhere near our team. I don't care who he is, I don't care if he's McDavid or Alfie, if they have a knowledge that he did it, they should move him and never let him near our arena.

 

[Micklebot]

I think that's a good return. Faber is a good enough prospect to make that deal worth it ; Projected Top 4 RD that can skate and defend. (+19OA)

Ya, I'm not trying to say Faber is a bad prospect or anything, he'll be an NHL player, I'm just not as sure he becomes a top 4 guy, for me he's on the bubble between 5 and 4, but I don't blame anyone for liking him more than I do.

 

[Cosmix]

This trade COULD be a big deciding factor in whether or not Dorion sticks around or not. He must be aware of that so it should bode well for the return. I doubt he wants to go out with another disappointing transaction.

Optimistic for that reason.

I don't think so. Dorion has had to clean up too many of his own messes.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Pierre clearly didn't do all the due diligence and dig for the potential info available to him. Again. I don't care if he somehow pulls a decent deal out of his ass, he weakened his hand by not being thorough. Again. So he clearly isn't learning.

Can't wait for Andlauer to pull the Ari Gold paintball move on Pierre.

I know that Dorion made some mistakes but let's not pretend that everything he has done was mistakes. If the Sens goes on to win the cup in the near future it a lot of the foundation would be his. It's funny last summer everyone was in love with Dorion and now he's back at being the scapegoat. Lol

 

[SpezDispenser]

I know that Dorion made some mistakes but let's not pretend that everything he has done was mistakes. If the Sens goes on to win the cup in the near future it a lot of the foundation would be his. It's funny last summer everyone was in love with Dorion and now he's back at being the scapegoat. Lol

He's had his shares of f*** ups for sure, but he also did some good. It's why Dubas no longer wanted to be in Toronto. Canadian (and some US) markets are insane.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I know that Dorion made some mistakes but let's not pretend that everything he has done was mistakes. If the Sens goes on to win the cup in the near future it a lot of the foundation would be his. It's funny last summer everyone was in love with Dorion and now he's back at being the scapegoat. Lol

He had plenty of hugs and high fives along the way... He had an opportunity to tear it down to the studs and rebuild through the draft... I think every GM would like that opportunity. He had some great assets to sell off and turn to young assets and draft capital. The pro scouting and decisions in the additions there have not been very good. Lots of excuses and praise for ELC signings and picking good players at the top of the draft.

 

[Ice-Tray]

No reason not to get similar to Fiala, it’s pretty close to the same situation as his trade for a similarly productive player.

Just because we traded for him a year earlier doesn’t mean that we all of a sudden won’t get good value for him in a trade this year. The reality is that he’s in the situation right now that many good players get traded at.

We control him, he can sign and extension immediately with a team that trades for him, and there is multiple teams interested.

I expect similar to Fiala given the situation is similar.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Pierre clearly didn't do all the due diligence and dig for the potential info available to him. Again. I don't care if he somehow pulls a decent deal out of his ass, he weakened his hand by not being thorough. Again. So he clearly isn't learning.

Can't wait for Andlauer to pull the Ari Gold paintball move on Pierre.

Sure he did, it was a gamble that the team would win him over during the season. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. When it doesn’t you trade the player away and fill the spot with guys that want to be here.

It’s ridiculous to think that Bowness and Dorion didn’t consider this situation as a possible outcome of the trade.

Someone else laid out the gambles this market has to undertake to get good players to play here, and this is an example of that.

I don’t know why people are expecting an underwhelming return, he is in a good position for us to trade him and get good value.

 

[bicboi64]

For what, until everything is done we don’t know shit.

Because you don't make a gamble with a 7th overall pick when you aren't a playoff team, while having like 1 blue-chip prospect (Grieg) in the system.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Silencio]

This summer's UFA crop being so mediocre hopefully works in Ottawa's favour here. Teams might be willing to pony up a bit to get 8 years of Alex DeBrincat versus 8 years of Michael Bunting.

 

[Big Muddy]

All that means is that DBC will only extend with one team and there's no real bidding at all. I don't think that's optimum at all, I'm hoping there are more than one team that wants him.

Did Dorion say that he wasn't going to allow teams that are interested to talk to Debrincat's camp? I thought I read that somewhere.

If it was one of the teams that were on his list, that would seem a little surprising. Does it mean that Debrincat has high expectations?

 

[Hale The Villain]

This summer's UFA crop being so mediocre hopefully works in Ottawa's favour here. Teams might be willing to pony up a bit to get 8 years of Alex DeBrincat versus 8 years of Michael Bunting.

Absolutely.

I'm watching Wings fans hesitating to give up the 17th OVR pick for DeBrincat while they are sitting on 30M in cap space with only a handful of good UFAs available.

Lot of mediocre players are going to get overpaid this summer. Spending 7-8M on a long-term extension for DeBrincat is looking like a pretty attractive option.

 

[Senscore]

Absolutely.

I'm watching Wings fans hesitating to give up the 17th OVR pick for DeBrincat while they are sitting on 30M in cap space with only a handful of good UFAs available.

Lot of mediocre players are going to get overpaid this summer. Spending 7-8M on a long-term extension for DeBrincat is looking like a pretty attractive option.

I'm not expecting a huge haul but watching them assume they can just declare terms is certainly a Laff and a Haff.

 

[Ouroboros]

If I were Formenton, I would probably request a trade too because of the team not offering a better contract and letting him go without one.

He doesn't even need to ask for a trade. He's a free agent - anybody interested is free to negotiate a contract with him. In fact, if they signed him for less than 1.4M they wouldn't even have to pay the Senators any compensation.

 

[SPF6ty9]

Sure he did, it was a gamble that the team would win him over during the season. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. When it doesn’t you trade the player away and fill the spot with guys that want to be here.

It’s ridiculous to think that Bowness and Dorion didn’t consider this situation as a possible outcome of the trade.

Someone else laid out the gambles this market has to undertake to get good players to play here, and this is an example of that.

I don’t know why people are expecting an underwhelming return, he is in a good position for us to trade him and get good value.

Maybe it helps to understand where you're starting from when you make a bet like that. He probably thought that Stepan could be won over too.

I don't think they didn't consider this situation as a possible outcome, I think they understated its likelihood.

The Chychrun deal is a good example of the opposite. We clearly have a leg up as a preferred destination for him.

In reality I presume Pierre acted out of his own interests and impulsiveness to ice a winner as quickly as possible to save his ass. While at the same time he was probably intimidated by Brady and Chabot asking him to bring in more help.

It was a principal / agent conflict in my mind. Either it works out and Pierre gets himself some clout with the future new owner, or it doesn't and he remains deadman walking. Risk / reward was there for Pierre, not for the organization.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Did Dorion say that he wasn't going to allow teams that are interested to talk to Debrincat's camp? I thought I read that somewhere.

If it was one of the teams that were on his list, that would seem a little surprising. Does it mean that Debrincat has high expectations?

Freidman podcast today, said they wouldn’t let anyone talk to him, until the basis of a trade was agreed on.