Alex Burmistrov (Part II)

[Koonta]

Yeah, it's just that it's so damned tough to find someone to complain about, with the team winning and Pav playing so well.

Our PGTs are mere shadows of their former selves. What will we do?

Well I don't think Mick E. Moose is giving it his all this year. Been to a couple of games and his drum banging is a little weak IMO.

 

[garret9]

So Whileee may be on to something...

Using linear regression of multiple different usage factors, I estimate that Burmistrov's expected CA/60 to be higher than his actual.
In other words, his line is actually beating minutes in terms of reducing shot attempts against.

They are drowning due to lack of shot attempts for.


I also checked Lowry, and he has the same thing. Stafford is a bit worse than expected in both for and against, but his differential is better.

Well, it's not quite as convincing as the Whileee "eye test", but still very interesting.

That line seems to have become a bit more aggressive in terms of attempting shots when they have possession in the offensive zone, so I wonder if that will start to show in terms of the shot attempt metrics. I suppose that when Burmi played with Kane, it was the perfect Corsi combo. Burmi is great at moving the puck out of his zone and into the offensive zone and Kane is a shooting fool. If Burmi played with Ehlers I would expect his shot attempt metrics to sky rocket.

It looks like that line has been taking more shots too:

(5 game rolling)

 

[Daximus]

Lowry's line just needs a damn shooter. Stafford is the closest they have and even he likes to hold onto the puck. If we had actual possession time numbers for this line in the offensive zone as well as individual offensive zone possession time I bet it would look pretty good they just don't shoot much. They seem to do well against teams that play the puck rather than the body as they can dip back and forth down below the goal line. As soon as they are taken out of the play they tend to give up possession pretty easily.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Do we really need to have a "What to do with Burmi" thread?

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2001225

Isn't a simple Burmistrov thread that deals with all thing Burmistrov good enough?

If we're talking about a player, why create new threads when they already have a thread totally devoted to them?

It's not even the multiple threads that bother me, the constant use of this thread over his existing one ingrains the title into the readers mindset. "What to do with Burmi?" = "Burmi BAD"= "must trade Burmi"

He was run through the mill on these boards when he left, with a good portion changing opinions after a successful pro Burmi possession number campaign run pretty much solely by Garrett.

Despite this there's still a mainstream bias & nothing perpetuates this myth to the casual fan like a long running thread title that should have been merged the day it appeared.

Further it encourages the mundane conversation, "Burmi sucks" which is then followed by any number of regular defenders claiming "No he doesn't" who then quote 3 year old Fenwick numbers.

 

[puck stoppa]

Burmi played great last night. He's really starting to shoot the puck a lot more. I'm still on the side of keeping this guy, on a contender he's a great bottom six guy that can move up the lineup and play special teams. Hope we extend him, he'll be cheap too.

 

[heretik27]

Burmi played great last night. He's really starting to shoot the puck a lot more. I'm still on the side of keeping this guy, on a contender he's a great bottom six guy that can move up the lineup and play special teams. Hope we extend him, he'll be cheap too.

Agreed, I saw him shoot more last night than I have all season. I feel like his goal the other night gave him a bit of a confidence booster and now he's more willing to shoot the puck instead of dangle 77 guys first before passing it away.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Burmi has always had a very weak shot. But instead of trying to always get around defensemen, he should learn how to use them as screens like he did the other night. Ladd is very good at this as well.

Very happy to see Burmi shooting more. Hope he keeps it up as it could be the difference between a long NHL l career or a brief one.

 

[bustamente]

Burmi played great last night. He's really starting to shoot the puck a lot more. I'm still on the side of keeping this guy, on a contender he's a great bottom six guy that can move up the lineup and play special teams. Hope we extend him, he'll be cheap too.

Burmi is still a work in progress and has been playing better lately still has a long way to go but i look for him to keep improving, also looks a lot more comfortable with his teammates this year.

 

[JetsFan815]

What is going on with Alex Burmistrov?

This same guy put up 38 points in 54 games in the KHL which is a much lower scoring league just 2 seasons ago. I don't think he has suddenly become an offensive blackhole so his offensive play this season is confusing. If someone who doesn't know anything about Burmi watched a game in isolation without any context they'd probably think he was a very solid player who must put up the points. All that amazing skating, decent footspeed, great hands and all that dangling around with the puck looks very impressive to the naked eye in isolation but for whatever reason it doesn't translate into points for the guy. I just don't understand, it's like the puck has a vendetta against him and refuses to go into the into the net if he has touched it

 

[jetsforever]

He also has a great wrister - just never uses it. Odd.

 

[MadMen88]

Burmistrov at the Deadline

I hope the Jets are dangling this guy and kicking tires. Despite the hype, the young Russian who seemingly never draws the harsh criticism of Jets fans (quite likely because he's almost invisible on a game to game basis or because they're too busy pointing the finger collectively in some other direction) has failed immensely to live up to the standards of a bonafide up and coming NHL talent.

It's time to part ways, I think, before other GM's realize this too...

 

[Gil Fisher]

I hope the Jets are dangling this guy and kicking tires. Despite the hype, the young Russian who seemingly never draws the harsh criticism of Jets fans (quite likely because he's almost invisible on a game to game basis or because they're too busy pointing the finger collectively in some other direction) has failed immensely to live up to the standards of a bonafide up and coming NHL talent.

It's time to part ways, I think, before other GM's realize this too...

I could definitely see Burmi being added to a trade to get it done. He's been brought back as an org asset more than a component of the young core, imo.

 

[MadMen88]

I could definitely see Burmi being added to a trade to get it done. He's been brought back as an org asset more than a component of the young core, imo.

Me too, actually, that's the way I see it going down near deadline

 

[IamAnton]

It's because he holds on to the puck far too much, runs out of space and just loses it.

 

[tacogeoff]

He has never excelled in point production in the NHL, im not sure why his stint in the KHL would change his current production Imo.

 

[meedle]

He was never that good. Your expectations are way too high. Since he left, I see 0 improvement in his game.

 

[Boreal]

I'm officially off the Burmistrov bandwagon. I firmly believe that only one of him or Lowry can play in our top-9, as both are more or less offensive black holes. Since neither is going to play in the top-6, that means that the "3rd line" is going to be offensive barren ground with those two on it. Since neither likely is keen on a career on the 4th line, I'll take the giant to move forward with.

 

[Derfel*]

Okay, maybe it's just Sunday morning me talking... but did anyone else read the thread title and think "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"?

(Original title was "Burmistrov at the Deadline")

 

[lanky]

I mostly agree Boreal. Burmi would make our 4th line a whole lot more entertaining to watch. So I say keep them both.

 

[Shakey Rustie]

Would Burmi stay if he was on the 4th line? I would assume if he would rather go back to the KHL over accepting his fate as a 4th liner in the NHL.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I mostly agree Boreal. Burmi would make our 4th line a whole lot more entertaining to watch. So I say keep them both.

That would be best for us but I think Burmi would pout and become a detraction to the team if his lot with the Jets was as a 4th line player. Remember he'll still see himself as a top 6 forward.

 

[nobody important]

Okay, maybe it's just Sunday morning me talking... but did anyone else read the thread title and think "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"?

I had to Google that. I was concerned you were having a stroke.

 

[KingBogo]

This same guy put up 38 points in 54 games in the KHL which is a much lower scoring league just 2 seasons ago. I don't think he has suddenly become an offensive blackhole so his offensive play this season is confusing. If someone who doesn't know anything about Burmi watched a game in isolation without any context they'd probably think he was a very solid player who must put up the points. All that amazing skating, decent footspeed, great hands and all that dangling around with the puck looks very impressive to the naked eye in isolation but for whatever reason it doesn't translate into points for the guy. I just don't understand, it's like the puck has a vendetta against him and refuses to go into the into the net if he has touched it

And then his production in the K dropped last season to 26 points in 53 games. So far his offensive numbers this season are almost identical to his last season in the NHL. I'd strongly expect what we are seeing now is what Burmi will produce throughout his career. IMO he will produce like a 4th liner even if he plays further up in the lineup. Which is okay if he can get his possession numbers up again, but so far this season they are taking a beating. Best case scenario is he becomes a defensive specialist on the 4th line and #1 PK for a team with plenty of offensive talent in the top 9.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Burmi is just not very good. He has some good stickhandling and defensive skills. But he has a week shot and holds on to the puck far too long before he tries to make a play. He is a decent fourth liner. Its just that the jets pay him way too much, and we are so thin at forward he is playing higher in the lineup.

 

[meedle]

And then his production in the K dropped last season to 26 points in 53 games. So far his offensive numbers this season are almost identical to his last season in the NHL. I'd strongly expect what we are seeing now is what Burmi will produce throughout his career. IMO he will produce like a 4th liner even if he plays further up in the lineup. Which is okay if he can get his possession numbers up again, but so far this season they are taking a beating. Best case scenario is he becomes a defensive specialist on the 4th line and #1 PK for a team with plenty of offensive talent in the top 9.

Best case scenario is if someone overpays for him in a trade. People thought when he came back that his "defensive" game would help the PK, How is that working out? How about his offfense. We need an upgrade. I don't get why people love him so much. 3rd/4th line players are not that hard to find.