Alec Baldwin Fatally Shoots Crewmember on Film Set

[tarheelhockey]

Even in a moral respect, he still faces repercussions.

I don't think we have anywhere near enough information to conclude that he's morally responsible for this.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Not surprised to see the crowd of 'Something bad happened, so there must be a conspiricy about' stalking this thread.

I guess this is the first time a work place accident has ever happened, so there for it must be a conspiricy.

If I had a penny for everytime someone on a work site I was on didn't do their job, which led to an accident waiting to happen (aka near miss), I would be a millionare.

Yea, because people accidentally shoot and kill people every day at work. This isn't a normal "work place accident".

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I don't think we have anywhere near enough information to conclude that he's morally responsible for this.

he clearly didnt use basic firearms safety standards and he killed someone. that's more than enough for a "moral responsibility"

not even getting into it was his production company that hired the incompetent staff in the first place

 

[tarheelhockey]

he clearly didnt use basic firearms safety standards and he killed someone. that's more than enough for a "moral responsibility"

not even getting into it was his production company that hired the incompetent staff in the first place

Again, we don't have anywhere near enough information to know how this played out. He could have looked directly at the armorer and said "hey you, go check that gun and make sure it's not loaded because I'm going to need to pull the trigger soon" and the armorer ****ed it up. That might be legal culpability on his part, but it certainly isn't moral culpability by any reasonable standard. He can't follow members of the crew around and literally hang over them to make sure they're doing their jobs.

At this point we just don't know. Inevitably this process is going to play out and there will be a detailed explanation of exactly how it happened. We don't have that yet.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Yea, because people accidentally shoot and kill people every day at work. This isn't a normal "work place accident".

There's various scales of "ooops, I f***ed up". Not every accident is minor, nor is every accident a major one.

 

[soothsayer]

Nothing has changed from day 1: No chance of criminal liability for Baldwin; possibly criminal liability for someone else, but tough to say; civil liability all over the place.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

There's various scales of "ooops, I f***ed up". Not every accident is minor, nor is every accident a major one.

Ok, but this is a MAJOR one. We aren’t talking about all the minor ones so i don’t get your original point.

 

[sdf]

First i imagined after hearing this news is that he shooted them in order to having fun because thought that blanks is absolutely safe

 

[Canucky]

Baldwin just cant help himself. His ego just cant stop playing on Twitter. What a narcissistic sociopath.

 

[max21]

Baldwin just cant help himself. His ego just cant stop playing on Twitter. What a narcissistic sociopath.

What is he saying?

 

[Jumptheshark]

'Rust' gaffer files lawsuit against Alec Baldwin and crew members | Canoe.Com

least surprising lawsuit--will be fun when this gets to court

 

[Egg]

he clearly didnt use basic firearms safety standards and he killed someone. that's more than enough for a "moral responsibility"

I partially agree with you.

Reports coming out, are confirming this set was understaffed as an effort to save money.

Corners were cut, and this very cutting of corners, spilled into their safety protocols, ultimately ending a life.

Baldwin was told he was advised the gun was "cold".

Safety protocols call for the head armorer to show the contents of the weapon to the actor.

No reports are out (yet) as to whether he was shown the weapons content or not, which if it was the case, was a major safety corner being cut.

Where I don't agree with you, is on whether this is a case closed affair on moral responsibility, considering the missing information.

If it is shown that a production he is partially responsible for cut these corners in the above fashion, you're 100% correct. He is morally responsible for this, and should be criminally and legally responsible for it, too.

 

[Voight]

I partially agree with you.

Reports coming out, are confirming this set was understaffed as an effort to save money.

Corners were cut, and this very cutting of corners, spilled into their safety protocols, ultimately ending a life.

Baldwin was told he was advised the gun was "cold".

Safety protocols call for the head armorer to show the contents of the weapon to the actor.

No reports are out (yet) as to whether he was shown the weapons content or not, which if it was the case, was a major safety corner being cut.

Where I don't agree with you, is on whether this is a case closed affair on moral responsibility, considering the missing information.

If it is shown that a production he is partially responsible for cut these corners in the above fashion, you're 100% correct. He is morally responsible for this, and should be criminally and legally responsible for it, too.

Even if someone told him it was cold, he should check it himself. Seems like a normal thing someone would do.

 

[Egg]

Even if someone told him it was cold, he should check it himself. Seems like a normal thing someone would do.

Armorers are the only ones who can handle weapons, when considering the exchange that takes place from the weapon being checked and handed over.

Proper procedure, is you open the weapon in front of the actor, to show them that its cold.

We still don't know if this was omitted. Better yet, why it was, if so.

Its the armorer's responsibility to ensure procedures are followed, as they are responsible for, thus liable for that weapon.

You're essentially trying to pin blame on the front salesman/owner of a car repair shop, if a technician forgets to torque your brakes, causing an accident.

Sure, he owns and sold you the parts, but the responsibility for a suitable installation, was squarely on the shoulders of that technician.

Baldwin will get sued to high heavens for operating a negligent movie production, but in no way shape or form will he be criminally liable for what occurred. You can bet on it.

 

[Perennial]

Even if someone told him it was cold, he should check it himself. Seems like a normal thing someone would do.

Baldwin may not even know how to "check it himself"

 

[Egg]

Baldwin may not even know how to "check it himself"

Likely why he stuck to his job as an actor, and left the expertise to his armorer.

Clear criminal negligence from armorer, but Baldwin will get his pants sued off so bad, its not even funny.

 

[chicagoskycam]

Alec Baldwin: 'I didn't pull the trigger' of gun on 'Rust' set - CNN

Baldwin saying he never pulled the trigger.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Alec Baldwin: 'I didn't pull the trigger' of gun on 'Rust' set - CNN

Baldwin saying he never pulled the trigger.

Ah, so the gun just magically went off on it's own. Good try Alec, dumbass.

 

[Canucky]

What is he saying?

Well like I mentioned this clown just can't shut up. Cant wait for the TV special "denial to the end"

 

[Hatfield]

Ah, so the gun just magically went off on it's own. Good try Alec, dumbass.

What a coincidence that the gun had a live round AND discharged without a trigger pull. Hmm.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Alec Baldwin: 'I didn't pull the trigger' of gun on 'Rust' set - CNN

Baldwin saying he never pulled the trigger.

 

[PeteWorrell]

Never liked Alec Baldwin and him denying having any responsibility in an accident that he was involved in and that happened on a set he was in charge of; just makes me dislike him even more. Terrible lack of leadership and just throwing people under the bus to save himself.

 

[hoglund]

I don't think that he's to blame, but he said that he didn't pull the trigger, how did it go off?

 

[Supermassive]

I don't think that he's to blame, but he said that he didn't pull the trigger, how did it go off?

A bump can do it. If people can look past the actor's past political stances, this is a case of a negligent armorer and a terrible accident.

 

[John Price]