News Article: Agents Poll: Dubas voted the best GM to get client a good deal from
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Martin Skoula
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The games he played this year were at the level of a 55 goal 90+ point C, better?
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Any self respecting gm would have made Marner sit out
But Dubas dealt our best tradeable asset with the best piece coming back with only 1 year left (Kadri for Barrie) and i'm not too sure how the cap situation of it all worked, but apparantly with our LTIR situation, Marner got more expensive for every game he sat out during the season.
Dubas literally gave additional leverage to Marners camp
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Menzinger
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In no way has Rantanen outplayed Tavares or Matthews....
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I think the problem is too many of us think about contracts as black and white -one sides win is another loss. I personally think Marner has the worst contract of the bug 4 on the team but.....
I think overpaying a guy by a few hundred thousand in this context may have been worth getting the guy locked up for 6 years immediately va letting him sit out to get to a one year bridge deal and have to do it all over again the next summer,bor risk an offersheet or worsen the relationship with the player who was having a pretty bad relationship already with the coaching staff.
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What do you think the market value was for a 28 year old top 10 centre was? A guy who was arguably the highest profile free agent in the salary cap era?
What do you think Muzzin would have gotten on free agency based on comparables?
The CyNick
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That's nothing new. Every GM has issues to deal with. Some GMs are faced with a bottom 5 roster and manage to turn it around in one summer including a solid playoff run.
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Nobody said the Leafs had to sign those guys. You're leaving out the "we'll pass" option. You're also leaving out the "take it or leave it" option that some GMs use as a tactic.
Dubas managed to take a guy who was literally begging to play here and paid him top dollar.
As for Muzzin, he's just not worth the money plain and simple.
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For the guy who in the past suggested Rielly was not a top four guy, im not sure i trust your abiltiy to assess D men's worth.
The strange turn that a small part of this fanbase has had against Tavares is imo one of the strangest trends going at the moment. Signing a star centre for nothing but capspace is a no brainer.
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That's great logic if there was no cap. In the cap world when you sign a guy like Tavares you have to like the deal in years 5-7 as much as you did in years 1-4. Tavares had a great year one, then once he got comfortable in the cozy environment that the Dubas-Shanny regime has created, he has looked like a worrying investment.
More importantly, an experienced GM would have had a complete plan to round out the team understanding what the JT signing did in terms of sending a signal to the rest of the FAs. Dubas being unwilling to play hardball with JT made Nylander think he can get top dollar. Then that made matthews and marner think Dubas was an easy mark, which he was/is.
So yeah, if a GM had a solid plan, I would say JT was a no brainier. But this GM had no such plan and its killed us.
Knowing what I know about Dubas lack of skills at negotiating, I would say JT was a mistake. Because this GM will always have a four player team, and I don't think that's good enough to win a cup much less multiple cups like I believe the old regime had us on the path to do.
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hotpaws
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this doesn't change the fact they'll both be cap anchors before there contracts end so my point still stands Dubas also pays for declining older players just like other GM's
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Tavares will finish his contract at 34.
This current season - Kane 31, Malkin 33, Ovechkin 34, Pacioretty 31, Wheeler 33, Kopitar 32, Toews 31, Bergeron 34, Crosby 32. All pacing 70 points or better through a full season. Anchors I tell you!
This current season - Kane 31, Malkin 33, Ovechkin 34, Pacioretty 31, Wheeler 33, Kopitar 32, Toews 31, Bergeron 34, Crosby 32. All pacing 70 points or better through a full season. Anchors I tell you!
hotpaws
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it's not my crystal ball , i'm just borrowing the one the poster i replied too is using who had no problem looking into the future and seeing how every other GM excluding ours naturally who signs players in their late 20's and older are paying for their declining years
hotpaws
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Toews isn't pacing for 70pts and has declined as has Patches even though he had a bounce back year and the list of players who's play has declined in there late 20's and older is much much longer but hey lets ignore that because um reasons , lol
also the only players you listed that JT was as good as or better were Wheeler and Patches , the others were and most still are much much better than JT
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I see. Fine. Reading the title missleads people to think that all agents were polled. I wonder how it worked? Like did they have all the GMs to choose from?
hotpaws
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word is the 12 agents that didn't vote for him don't have any clients that are Leafs
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60/70* 82 = 70.
List em then. Top 5 picks that were over a cumulative point per game from 27-28-29 and then fell off a cliff to the point of being "anchors" by 34. Stars peak higher and last longer just below that peak. JT is a star.His entire Leaf career will be played younger than post lockout Sundin.
Expecting a precipitous drop in the play of someone with JT's ability and pedigree at the age we have him is pessimistic at best.
i misread what u wrote so enjoy this photo of nick young:
