I never diminished Podkolzin or Barron's value because of the depth though? You asked me if the Canucks were a contender, shoe was on the other foot, would I trade Podz + 2 1sts for Larkin at 50%. I mentioned well if the Canucks had the young winger depth to cover for his loss (like the Avs do on D for Barron), and the Canucks were serious contenders and would be seen as favourites, I would offer a 3 1st value because I would rather be the overwhelming favourites for 2 years to win the cup (worked for TBL in year 2) than have 3 1sts value. Although 3 1st value in my eyes would be max Pod + 1st + 2nd.
I didnt cherry pick anything, pending UFA always cost less because you're getting them for 10-20 reg season games and a playoff run.
Mark Stone was a pending UFA and it was clear Ottawa wasn't re-signing him. He returned a top prospect (brannstrom) + 2nd + a 4th liner. Come next TDL if its clear we aren't re-signing Miller, I'd be happy with that kind of return for him.
Taylor Hall again another pending UFA clearly leaving his current team. Returned a 2nd + a young 4th liner with 3rd line upside. Essentially a 2nd + 3rd round pick value.
So given these examples, how is expecting a 1st + 3rd value for Miller next TDL overpriced? Thats less than Stone got since Brannstrom was highly regarded and worth more than a late 1st. Its more than Hall got because Miller plays all 3 positions, and is better at both ends of the ice.
The only difference on price now vs a month ago is the Canuck fans that have been reasonable all along (I like to think myself included) have come to the acceptance that we arent getting a top prospect like Schneider/Newhook/Podkolzin/Brannstrom along with the late 1st. Instead we are getting a Barron or Lundqvist + a late 1st and then a 2nd round pick value in a roster player to take salary back. When we retain 50% we expect that to increase that 2nd round pick value to a 1st round pick value.
First you are definitely one of the more reasonable Canuck fans on the board. I think I made that clear when I said your proposal isn't far off. I am actually not disagreeing with you on that. You are far from the Schneider, Kravtsov, Chytil and a 1st proposal I saw.
I still don't fully agree with your logic. Avs defense isn't as deep as you make it seem. Makar, toews, girard are permanent obviously....is Byram though? No questioning his talent but I am not sure about his health. He is 1 hit away from never playing again. I doubt he plays this year to be honest. I wouldn't if I was him. Get well and try again when you are ready. Either way if you are saying trade away a position of depth that makes more sense. Would I do it.....probably not. I dont really see the need for the Avs. They score a lot. They need a goalie and maybe a dman.
I also don't agree with trading pods. If the Canucks make a run which they could because the Oilers and ducks do not look very good I wouldn't pull that trigger. The going all in didn't work for Columbus a few years ago and they are screwed for it. Its a bold strategy and if it works great, if it doesn't welcome to the cellar for a decade.
Lastly Stone really wasn't a UFA. Vegas agreed to a contract prior to that trade. That trade wasn't happening if he didn't agree to the contract. Reinhart also signed a 3 year deal immediately. Regardless the acquiring team did not get 1 or even 2 years of the player. I dont think they are the same as Tampa overpaying for Blake Coleman or a terrible trade for Turris.
Either way like I said before we arent very far off on value. Thank you being reasonable on a site that most people are completely unreasonable. Cheers
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