Player Discussion Adam Fox

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I brought it up in January:nod:

I bet $1 on him to win the Norris back before the season started. $28 bucks if he wins.

Edit: Current Norris odds on FanDuel:

Hedman -150
Fox +340
Makar +550
McAvoy +650
Petry +750
Doughty +1100
Carlson +1100
Nurse +1500
Pulock +1500
Theodore +1500
Pietrangelo +3400
Girard +3400
Barrie +4800
 
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I bet $1 on him to win the Norris back before the season started. $28 bucks if he wins.

Edit: Current Norris odds on FanDuel:

Hedman -150
Fox +340
Makar +550
McAvoy +650
Petry +750
Doughty +1100
Carlson +1100
Nurse +1500
Pulock +1500
Theodore +1500
Pietrangelo +3400
Girard +3400
Barrie +4800

You gambling addicted risk taking badass. :laugh:
 
They also have a much better PP. So when it comes to point comparison.
Yupp. And you can argue that Fox is basically the whole Rangers PP. Zibanejad has been mostly cold. Strome isn’t bad but he’s not great. Kreider is fine but other than being a big body, he doesn’t provide much else (not that he really needs to). Sure Panarin helps, but I feel like our power play could survive without him, as long as we have Fox.

I thought Fox was elite at everything, but I really thought he had some room for improvement on the power play. Looks like I was very, very wrong.
 
I bet $1 on him to win the Norris back before the season started. $28 bucks if he wins.

Edit: Current Norris odds on FanDuel:

Hedman -150
Fox +340
Makar +550
McAvoy +650
Petry +750
Doughty +1100
Carlson +1100
Nurse +1500
Pulock +1500
Theodore +1500
Pietrangelo +3400
Girard +3400
Barrie +4800

If the Norris was based entirely on performance, Hedman at -150 would be insane. Because it has a degree of reputation to it, it makes sense,
 
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If Fox has another month at this pace and the Rangers make the playoffs, we won’t just be talking about the Norris. This guy is on a special run.

Posted this on the main boards as well...

The defenseman with 18 points in 8 games? Erik Karlsson in 2012.
It takes a very special defenseman to be a PPG player. Fox can be that guy and more (with his spectacular defense). I also think that Lindgren needs to get some credit for Fox’s play. He’s like Methot was to Karlsson. Sure Fox is the star and I do think he can do what he’s doing with a worse partner, but Lindgren is as steady as they get.
 
Since the start of Dec 2019 Fox has 64 points in 82 games. Since the beginning of January 2020 is 59 in 68 which would equate to a rate of 71 over 82.

He and Lindgren have eaten top pair minutes since basically February 2020 too. Norris winner or not, he has been worthy of it for a while now. As others have mentioned, it has become a reputation award.

He's on the radar now though. He'll win one, if not several before his playing days are over as long as he stays healthy.
 
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Since the start of Dec 2019 Fox has 64 points in 82 games. Since the beginning of January 2020 is 59 in 68 which would equate to a rate of 71 over 82.

He and Lindgren have eaten top pair minutes since basically February 2020 too. Norris winner or not, he has been worthy of it for a while now. As others have mentioned, it has become a reputation award.

He's on the radar now though. He'll win one, if not several before his playing days are over as long as he stays healthy.

Honestly, imagine if he has Erik Karlsson productivity with elite defense. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but it's not just a hot month anymore...
 
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Fox on pace for 79 points.... never had a dman come close to that in a long long time, but people telling me I'm crazy last year pumping his tires, couldn't run a pp, had a lucky year, could never be a 50 pt dman lol.... he might be a 50 point dman in this shortened year.
 
Honestly, imagine if he has Erik Karlsson productivity with elite defense. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but it's not just a hot month anymore...
Man, I remember when Karlsson was literally the best player in the league at some point, albeit for a short while (half a year maybe?). I too am getting ahead of myself, but I believe that Fox can get there, and with elite defense. It feels unreal because it’s such a tall order though. I remember the days when Karlsson could do anything he wanted on the ice offensively, and no one could stop him. I mean, it was must-see TV. I miss that Karlsson, just not against us of course.
 
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Man, I remember when Karlsson was literally the best player in the league at some point, albeit for a short while (half a year maybe?). I too am getting ahead of myself, but I believe that Fox can get there, and with elite defense. It feels unreal because it’s such a tall order though. I remember the days when Karlsson could do anything he wanted on the ice offensively, and no one could stop him. I mean, it was must-see TV. I miss that Karlsson, just not against us of course.

karlsson wasn’t that good defensively in his prime. he won the norris because he had an absurd amount of points. when it came to actually defending, he was average at best.
 
It takes a very special defenseman to be a PPG player. Fox can be that guy and more (with his spectacular defense). I also think that Lindgren needs to get some credit for Fox’s play. He’s like Methot was to Karlsson. Sure Fox is the star and I do think he can do what he’s doing with a worse partner, but Lindgren is as steady as they get.

Absolutely! Like how Leetch had Beuk.

Lindgren gives Fox the ability to rush up ice by how solid he is on the backend and how physical he can be as well. All around great!
 
karlsson wasn’t that good defensively in his prime. he won the norris because he had an absurd amount of points. when it came to actually defending, he was average at best.

When you have the puck as much as EK, way more than the other guy, it really doesn't matter as much. At one time, EK was easily that good.
 
It takes a very special defenseman to be a PPG player. Fox can be that guy and more (with his spectacular defense). I also think that Lindgren needs to get some credit for Fox’s play. He’s like Methot was to Karlsson. Sure Fox is the star and I do think he can do what he’s doing with a worse partner, but Lindgren is as steady as they get.
Agree with everything said here. There is a certain level of comfort in being able to depend on your partner and know where each other are going to pass or going to be on the ice. These 2 have been together since juniors at WJC. You can tell they have built a strong rapport together and there’s a level of comfort with each other. It 100% helps fox be more great, I also think lindgren has more growing to do as a player. He’s an excellent skater and could possibly add more offense to his game
 
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It’s a wee bit optimistic to assume Adam Fox is going to routinely have PPG seasons. However, there’s no doubt whatsoever that his offense is always going to be excellent at minimum.

Erik Karlsson was the best hockey player in the Milky Way galaxy at one point. Don’t forget that. He transcended “playing defense” and “playing offense” and literally just controlled the entire ice.
 
Unless all you do is like a at CF% and such Erik Karlsson was never good defensively. His goals against numbers are bad almost every single year. Is it a fluke his GA > xGA in every single relatively full year? No, it's a limitation of the model. Erik Karlsson has been on the ice for more GA than GF at 5v5 in his career and only really had two years where he was a significant 5v5 asset. He was very good offensively and played high event hockey.
 
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