I also never took MDZ to be a brilliant hockey mind.
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I also never took MDZ to be a brilliant hockey mind.
Barnaby
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That’s a really general way to put it. He didn’t contribute anything to that Cup team.
As a person MDZ did fine for himself. He stayed in the league, made money, was part of a Cup team.
He wasn’t a total bust (he had a career) but obviously the Rangers were hoping for a top 4 defenseman who could be a PO QB for 10+ years when selecting in the first round. His rookie year inspired confidence and a brief period with pre injury Staal was terrific. Outside of that the guy was a total liability and extremely frustrating.
haveandare
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Eh it’s not a blunder imo. We look back at toss up decisions with the benefit of knowing how they turned out.
Dijock94
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Only clear blunder was McIlrath over Fowler and Tarasenko
Carlson and Del Zotto were ranked around the same. In retrospect yeah I wish we’d taken Carlsonbut whatever. Can’t fret over every draft
e: Fox will be fascinating to watch and see where he ends up. I feel like people think his size will hold him back from being a #1 but his smarts might make up for that and more. Not very #1 is big and dominating in the corners physically. The ability to control the game with the puck on his stick or to break up plays by the other team before they ca. Even start attacking could make him a legit top guy before too long
e: Fox will be fascinating to watch and see where he ends up. I feel like people think his size will hold him back from being a #1 but his smarts might make up for that and more. Not very #1 is big and dominating in the corners physically. The ability to control the game with the puck on his stick or to break up plays by the other team before they ca. Even start attacking could make him a legit top guy before too long
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Carlson is bigger, has a much better shot and is right handed. That combination should have given him the edge.
I think this was before the USHL was taken as seriously as it is today, would that be fair to say as the reason he fell?
The Revisionists history is strong in this thread.
Carlson is incredibly overrated btw.
Carlson is incredibly overrated btw.
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Carlson is probably a bit underrated. Only Burns has more Even Strength points than Carlson as a defenseman over the past 2 and a quarter seasons. He does compile a lot of points on the Capital PP but he's also a premier offensive defenseman in the league.
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LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Possible, I also wonder if the demand for right handed dmen was as high back then.
SA16
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If none of Fox DeAngelo or Trouba can play their off side in the off-season one of them should work at trying to play as a LHS instead. You see plenty of switch hitters in baseball and a lot of players who shoot one side in hockey in reality have their other hand as dominant.
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Fox can’t and doesn’t fly. He’s an average skater. What Fox has is absolutely off the charts Hockey IQ and eyes in the back of his head. I’ve tried to compare him to another NHL player and keep coming up short. Ryan Ellis is the best I can do.
I wish I knew what happened with MDZ. His skating was always suspect. Other teams clearly developed a book on him and he was unable to adjust. Based on what I’ve seen in the succeeding years, hockey IQ is definitely An issue and his confidence seemed to waver. At some point, he also lost the confidence of the coaches.
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One of the worst narratives here is that if someone isn't a burner they are an "average' skater.
Fox is not an average skater, he's above that.
Fox is not an average skater, he's above that.
darko
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Could on say that Fox has eyes in the back of his head and a 6th sense like the Great one had??? Or is that going way too far??
Irishguy42
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Fox has legitimately been very good this season. He's made all the players paired with him play as good or better.
his skating has never seemed to be an issue mainly cause he thinks the game so quickly. and always knows where to be.
motopanekeku
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He couldn't hit the net with his shot and couldn't defend when his shots flew back around the boards lol
Rongomania
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I'll never forget his first game, I believe it was Sids first Cup banner night in Pitt. DZ looked like he was going to puke all night.
And that horrible shot, it's as though he never practiced it.
No, I think you're going way too far. Fox clearly has great awareness of what's happening on the ice and where his teammates are and will be, but there's a reason why Gretzky=TGO. He's not really up there with Leetch (perhaps yet? It will take a lot) either--who had 14 points in 17 games when he joined the Rangers in 1988 and 71 points in 68 games (winning the Calder).
Let Fox be Fox for now. He's doing just fine.
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