Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

[Pawnee Rangers]

Trouba's a headcase, his team is difficult to deal with and he's going to want the max when he hits UFA. That's the kind of move that hamstrings a team. No thanks.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

yes but you can't expect them all to play for you when you draft and bring in as many as we have and will continue to over this next draft. some of them have to be used for trades. you aren't going to field a team of guys all within 2 years of age of each other. need different age groups to win.

I agree, but i'm just not ready to start trading them away. Last thing I want to do is rush and trade for example Lias and then he turns into a good 2nd line center for Jets in 3 years. Plus I think Trouba is a bit overrated and will command a lot more money than he's worth.

 

[TheTakedown]

I am positive this team is not going to be "very good"; but I don't know if they will be worse than last year. I think they could be better than the 6th worst team when all is said and done. I think there's a relatively good chance of it, actually.

The other thing I think is not quite being taken into account is.... this team has added in the last, oh, 24 months, an unprecedented amount of "elite/top-6 forward/top-4 defense" talent and even a starting future goaltender to the mix. More talent quicker than we have witnessed as Rangers fans in.... well, possibly ever. Certainly in my lifetime of following the Rangers, and I started when I was 11 in 1994 when they won the Cup, I haven't seen anything like this since then. We haven't even seen a true tear-down, let alone what appears to be such an effective build-back-up.

I am not sure we are taking into account how good this team is going to get and how quickly it's gonna happen. I am not sure we are willing to let ourselves believe how good this team could be in another 24 months. I think saying we could be like this year's Hurricanes or Islanders is selling us way short. I think we are gonna be more like the Maple Leafs. Except with defense. Or the Lightning. I mean we could have 3-4 players under 25 who are capable of 60-70 point seasons, or more.

6th to last is even a stretch... There were about 6 games in the last season stretch that went to OT/Win that the Rangers had no business winning. Take those out and they are easily battling for 3rd-4th worst in the leaguye. I don't think people realize just how bad this team was last year. The talent influx absolutely boosts this team to at worst 20th overall, I would not be surprised to see them battle for a wildcard spot for most ife not all of the year

 

[Ghost of jas]

We frankly look for certain things from Kakko, but cannot count on them. What is his first few years look like Barkov's?

If you are counting on Kakko replacing the production of Hayes, you may well be setting yourself up for disappointment. The odds are against it. Panarin is NOT here and solid chances that he WILL NOT be here. And if he is, he now has to play with less of a supporting cast. Fox, Hajek? Can they get in 10 games of NHL experience before we state that you getting an impact from them? Love Lemieux, and he could well be a force in the middle two lines, but if he nets 20 goals next year, I will jump for joy.

Sorry, hate to be Debbie Downer here, but while we all hope that Chytil, Andersson & Howden take steps forward, they are just as likely as not to. But let's say that they do, what is "substantial" impact? I would say that the odds of 45-50 goals between the three of them is not great. Which does not mean that they will not improve. But you need to remember how young they are.

Henke's abilities decline with age. He is a year older. For him to be better, the defense would need to be materially better. And while Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk are taking regular shifts, the odds are against that.

I think you are describing a lottery team for all of the reasons that I outline.

Look, it's not like I do not want them to do great, but it seems you are counting on playing several hands of cards and getting 4 aces in each one. Just not realistic. Embrace the suck for one more year. The turnaround commences in 2020-2021.

There are an awful lot of assumptions being made about players that have yet to establish themselves as NHL players. Some of these assumptions were made last year, and some of them actually did come through and the Rangers still finished 6OA. They had the least amount of ROWs, and were even worse after trading Zuccarello and Hayes. They aren’t just improving from 6OA...technically they’re attempting to re-establish being 6OA.

 

[Kovalev27]

I agree, but i'm just not ready to start trading them away. Last thing I want to do is rush and trade for example Lias and then he turns into a good 2nd line center for Jets in 3 years. Plus I think Trouba is a bit overrated and will command a lot more money than he's worth.

and that's totally fair. but you have to as a management team discuss who you can part with and who you consider a kid that is going to be a part of the core. I don't think chytil miller howden lundkvist kravtsov fox hajek are kids that they'd move. but there are fringe kids like lindgren ragnarsson rykov (who I love) and maybe an andersson that for the right player you have to be prepared to move them. that's part of building a great farm system.

for what its worth even if lias turned into a good 2nd line center which I doubt. I still believe I rather have a top line two way right dman any day over a 2nd line 50 to 60 pt center.

 

[Levitate]

adam fox is an nhl ready prospect. which he said he would go after. he also said he'd be going after young nhl players thru trades if they made sense. trouba makes a lot of sense.

It may make sense but I wouldn't be surprised if the price is just too high.

 

[cheech70]

Trouba for Brady under the condition we get to talk contract with Trouba before deal. Then flip Kreider for Zegras . Sign Breadman.

Hayek-Trouba
Rykov-ADA
Staal-Fox

Kaakko-Mika-Panarin
Pavel-Filip-Kravstov
Lemiux-Strome-Lias
Name-Howden-Fast

3 dmen rookies baptism by fire

Wings are coming together

Light at C behind Mika

Play the youth so we can see who can handle the rigors of the NHL

 

[Hire Sather]

Trouba is a problem every time he's up for a contract.

I'd rather someone else.

 

[TheTakedown]

Trouba's a headcase, his team is difficult to deal with and he's going to want the max when he hits UFA. That's the kind of move that hamstrings a team. No thanks.

Get your hot takes here!

 

[TheTakedown]

and that's totally fair. but you have to as a management team discuss who you can part with and who you consider a kid that is going to be a part of the core. I don't think chytil miller howden lundkvist kravtsov fox hajek are kids that they'd move. but there are fringe kids like lindgren ragnarsson rykov (who I love) and maybe an andersson that for the right player you have to be prepared to move them. that's part of building a great farm system.

for what its worth even if lias turned into a good 2nd line center which I doubt. I still believe I rather have a top line two way right dman any day over a 2nd line 50 to 60 pt center.

Andersson also inherently holds more value since he's a 7th overall pick compared to any other player that has a ceiling of "2nd line center in 3 years"

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Get your hot takes here!

Believe what you want.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I don't think that's how a real life front office looks at it. If their #4 or #5 guy drops to 12, 13, 15, whatever, then you're trading Kreider + low 20s for the #4 or #5 guy in the draft. That's different.

Not a likely scenario, but certainly a possible one IMO.

The next step to what im saying is, Kreider is worth too much...so how bout 1 or 2 of the 2nd rounders we have instead of Kreider? That's what we did to move up for K'Andre so we have recent precedent

With K'Andre we gave up too much imo considering how many spots we moved BUT this is a case where things unfolded exactly as you're describing. We believed in k'Andre so we gave up a LITTLE more than we should've normally.

That's why I both disagreed and agreed with you.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Going after Trouva would be EXACTLY what JG has said he was going to do.

Accelerate the rebuild. This team does not have a #1D, Miller is the closest and he's 1-2 years away, and most likely not a top pairing step in.

Accelerate the rebuild doesn’t necessarily mean going out and filling all the holes on the team for this upcoming season

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Trouba is a problem every time he's up for a contract.

I'd rather someone else.

Only in Winnipeg. Not to mention that problem goes away once hes signed to an extension.

I'm all for him if you can get him at your price.

 

[Kovalev27]

Trouba is a problem every time he's up for a contract.

I'd rather someone else.

its mainly because he wants nothing to do with winnipeg

 

[Kovalev27]

Andersson also inherently holds more value since he's a 7th overall pick compared to any other player that has a ceiling of "2nd line center in 3 years"

true but that value may never be higher than it is right now. if he does nothing next year at 21 its going to start to look bad. real bad real fast. to me his value is as high as it will ever be right now. you guys know I'm just not a believer in the kid.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why will trouba cost that much?

He's a year away from UFA just like Kreider.

But he's RFA this year. Gives the team one RFA year to buy out

 

[SML2]

This team played 40+ 1 goal games last year. I don't know how you add gamebreakers like Kakko and Kravtsov and don't win at least 10 of those flat out. This team could be better than advertised.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This team played 40+ 1 goal games last year. I don't know how you add gamebreakers like Kakko and Kravtsov and don't win at least 10 of those flat out. This team could be better than advertised.

Because we will be without Hayes and Zuccarello all season?

 

[Thirty One]

Because we will be without Hayes and Zuccarello all season?

And declaring them gamebreakers at this point may be a bit premature.

 

[SML2]

Because we will be without Hayes and Zuccarello all season?

I always find it funny how teams place such a high value on veteran leadership, but when you get one of these upstart teams that doesn't know they're not supposed to win every night, they're always more competitive than you figured.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Because we will be without Hayes and Zuccarello all season?

And even if Kakko and Kravtsov replace the production of Hayes and Zuccarello, it’s a wash and leaves you right back at 6OA.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

And declaring them gamebreakers at this point may be a bit premature.

Way premature, but so is declaring them lottery bound before they've drafted, traded, signed or finalized said team.

 

[Kovalev27]

And even if Kakko and Kravtsov replace the production of Hayes and Zuccarello, it’s a wash and leaves you right back at 6OA.

you don't think chytil howden buchnevich deangelo lemieux go to another level this year?

 

[Thirty One]

Way premature, but so is declaring them lottery bound before they've drafted, traded, signed or finalized said team.

Agreed.