Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

[mas0764]

I think you are describing a lottery team for all of the reasons that I outline.

Look, it's not like I do not want them to do great, but it seems you are counting on playing several hands of cards and getting 4 aces in each one. Just not realistic. Embrace the suck for one more year. The turnaround commences in 2020-2021.

I definitely expect to still be a lottery team next year. I just think there's a pretty good chance it's better than the 6th worst. I wouldn't be shocked if it's in the teens.

That being said I am perfectly fine with another bottom 5 finish. But if that happens the level of talent on this team going forward is gonna be epic.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think they'll get panarin I do. I also think they'll trade kreider, shattenkirk, and most likely namestnikov and Vesey. I think we're going to be VERY busy this summer.

having said that I think we are going to be VERY young. but I see way too many good players on this roster after july 1st to think we aren't going to push for a playoff spot. just ALOT of skill, team that works very hard, and we'll have good goaltending. that's usually a recipe for the playoffs.

 

[Gardner McKay]

adam fox is an nhl ready prospect. which he said he would go after. he also said he'd be going after young nhl players thru trades if they made sense. trouba makes a lot of sense.

Well, we can agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Levitate]

I think they'll get panarin I do. I also think they'll trade kreider, shattenkirk, and most likely namestnikov and Vesey. I think we're going to be VERY busy this summer.

having said that I think we are going to be VERY young. but I see way too many good players on this roster after july 1st to think we aren't going to push for a playoff spot. just ALOT of skill, team that works very hard, and we'll have good goaltending. that's usually a recipe for the playoffs.

If Panarin can stay productive into his early 30's it might align with a theoretical cup run with this core group being developed...but it's a big if in a lot of ways and you want to make sure you're not handicapping yourself with his contract. I could see this team being a young up and coming playoff team in 3 years (2021-2022 season) but that's assuming stuff goes right

 

[Kovalev27]

If Panarin can stay productive into his early 30's it might align with a theoretical cup run with this core group being developed...but it's a big if in a lot of ways and you want to make sure you're not handicapping yourself with his contract. I could see this team being a young up and coming playoff team in 3 years (2021-2022 season) but that's assuming stuff goes right

definitely risky no doubt.

I see them ready sooner than that imo

 

[Gardner McKay]

Andersson for Trouba + 2nd.

That's abpout the only one of those scenarios that would realistically work. Peg needs cost controlled assetrs

No offense, but if the cost was Andersson for Trouba + 2nd, even I would be on board with that.

I think the reason many of you are okay with a Trouba trade is because you are vastly undervaluing what he would cost in a trade. Andersson doesn't get you Trouba, let alone adding a 2nd.

The ask from Winnipeg starts with Miller, Lundkvist or Kravtsov and that isn't unreasonable either, he is a legitimate top pairing defenseman. They also probably want their 1st back or our 1st next year. Again, not completely unreasonable asks.

If we make a trade with Winnipeg, you are looking at a range of Winnipeg 1st + Lundkvist + Andersson to NYR 2020 1st + Kravtsov/Miller + Pionk. Again, you all have said it, he is a legitimate top pairing guy. They aren't cheap.

 

[bernmeister]

I think the Rangers will not be as bad as everyone thinks this coming year, and they will be better before people expect as well.

We are adding a ton of talent to the roster this year. Yes, we are down a couple second line talents that we had most of all last year (Hayes and Zuccarello), but I feel like adding, say, Kakko, Fox and Panarin, or Kakko, Fox and Trouba, or Kakko, Fox, Zegras, and Panarin, or whatever, we kinda gain more than we've lost, both in terms of raw talent AND expected production, plus the improvement of all the kids.

Add our draftees
sign Panarin
Hayes returns 6.2 x 5, only costs $
extend Kreider
Staal at half for righty shot Marleau as a stopgap

we need to repurpose Zib, Georgiev, Lias + probably Howden, also Skjei probably Buch and MAYBE Strome for upgrading/more new picks AND a shot at a dif maker RD

need to dump Smith, Namest they take away mins from others

then we will be truly kickin it on all cylinders

 

[Ghost of jas]

you don't think chytil howden buchnevich deangelo lemieux go to another level this year?

Maybe, but, the defense still sucks and Henke did not look good to end the season. A lot of things went right fir the Rangers last year, and they ended up 6OA.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I definitely expect to still be a lottery team next year. I just think there's a pretty good chance it's better than the 6th worst. I wouldn't be shocked if it's in the teens.

That being said I am perfectly fine with another bottom 5 finish. But if that happens the level of talent on this team going forward is gonna be epic.

Assuming no major changes (No Panarin, Kreider stays, etc.)

IF most of the "what ifs" go their way, they'll be a bubble team.

If half of them go their way, they're a bottom 10 team closer to 10.

If most of them don't go their way, they're bottom 10, closer to 5.

The ceiling on next year's team is probably a wild card team, the floor is down below where we finished this year, again assuming that everything stays the same + Kaapo and Kravstov.

 

[mas0764]

And even if Kakko and Kravtsov replace the production of Hayes and Zuccarello, it’s a wash and leaves you right back at 6OA.

No, it doesn't; the rest of the young kids probably improve measurably.

 

[Ghost of jas]

No, it doesn't; the rest of the young kids probably improve measurably.

That’s quite the assumption you’re making. The Rangers had players take steps forward and were relatively healthy and still finished 6OA. After Zuccarello and Hayes were traded the Rangers were among the worst teams n the league.

 

[LORDE]

If we make a trade with Winnipeg, you are looking at a range of Winnipeg 1st + Lundkvist + Andersson to NYR 2020 1st + Kravtsov/Miller + Pionk. Again, you all have said it, he is a legitimate top pairing guy. They aren't cheap.

Everyone look at this and then say it with me... ready? 3, 2, 1...

HELL f***ING NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NYR Viper]

Something to consider:

If Gorton is close to a deal in principle with TB to take on Callahan's contract for his final year and in return is willing to swap the TB 2nd rounder for their 1st rounder, that would be a good reason NOT to trade that TB pick. It would also make sense why they moved aggressively to get Fox with that #37 pick

 

[Kovalev27]

see I don't see us taking on bad money I feel like we're going to be a capped team this year once we dip into free agency. I don't think we can afford to take a Callahan. unless tampa is taking namestnikov back as part of that deal.

this just isn't a very deep draft. there's a lot of high end talent but then the back end of the draft imo isn't strong enough to trade for bad money just to get a late first.

 

[bernmeister]

Trouba's a headcase, his team is difficult to deal with and he's going to want the max when he hits UFA. That's the kind of move that hamstrings a team. No thanks.

This ^; we would be putting ourselves in the same box Canes got caught with Fox when Trouba demands to go FL [Panthers or Bolts].
Walk away unless...

Trouba for Brady under the condition we get to talk contract with Trouba before deal. Then flip Kreider for Zegras . Sign Breadman.

Hayek-Trouba
Rykov-ADA
Staal-Fox

Kaakko-Mika-Panarin
Pavel-Filip-Kravstov
Lemiux-Strome-Lias
Name-Howden-Fast

3 dmen rookies baptism by fire

Wings are coming together

Light at C behind Mika

Play the youth so we can see who can handle the rigors of the NHL

if Wini takes cap stability with Skjei instead of onset of probs with Trouba, I would do that now, and look to find out where he wants to go and flip there. Any of those 3 teams would pay a reasonable amount to get Trouba now, not wait, so we would ballpark recover Skjei value and be out from under his long term cap.

However, I don't think Chevy does trouba for Skjei, even with onset of Trouba being a ticking clock to when his deal winds down.

No on flipping kreider

Yes on Panarin.

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other scenarios for other roster results

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Trouba's a headcase, his team is difficult to deal with and he's going to want the max when he hits UFA. That's the kind of move that hamstrings a team. No thanks.

Trouba is a problem every time he's up for a contract.

I'd rather someone else.

Only in Winnipeg. Not to mention that problem goes away once hes signed to an extension.

I'm all for him if you can get him at your price.

its mainly because he wants nothing to do with winnipeg

Exactly. If not wanting to live more than 200 miles north of Fargo, ND makes one a headcase, then I am one too.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

see I don't see us taking on bad money I feel like we're going to be a capped team this year once we dip into free agency. I don't think we can afford to take a Callahan. unless tampa is taking namestnikov back as part of that deal.

this just isn't a very deep draft. there's a lot of high end talent but then the back end of the draft imo isn't strong enough to trade for bad money just to get a late first.

It is if that late 1st can help you move up into a range to get another player you really want, or can be used as a piece in a package to get a young player.

I think it's far more likely that we take on bad salary this summer than it is what we spend big money this summer. Panarin is likely the only big UFA who will get any attention from them and hes a long shot to sign here if you've been paying attention to what one of his other suitors has been/will be doing.

Major acquisitions are most likely going to have to be made via trade.

Guys who should 100% be available:
Kreider
Strome
Fast
Namesnikov
Shatty
Staal
Smith
Pionk

The bolded are tough sells, but they're still on the list.

I'd listen on Buchnevich and Skjei too in the case that a good RHD can be sent for something centered around one or both of them.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

see I don't see us taking on bad money I feel like we're going to be a capped team this year once we dip into free agency. I don't think we can afford to take a Callahan. unless tampa is taking namestnikov back as part of that deal.

this just isn't a very deep draft. there's a lot of high end talent but then the back end of the draft imo isn't strong enough to trade for bad money just to get a late first.

One year of it, though? Why not? It's not like this team as-is is going to be anywhere close to the cap...

 

[Kovalev27]

I see no reason to move staal. he can finish his contract right in time for Kandre to come in. I don't consider it an issue

shatty I think has more value around the league than people realize. righty dman only 2 years left on contract. runs a pp. that's attractive to teams. we may not get much but I think there's value there.

Smith while overpaid can be your 12th forward AND your 7th dman. he's fine too.

no one picks the panthers over the Rangers if both teams want a guy. No one. guys don't want to play in empty buildings. I know some think its a myth but original 6 playing for a world class organization that treats their players like royalty every one wants to play for the Rangers. very few don't. I'd be shocked if he picked the panthers over the rangers unless the difference in money is stupid. not just the same I mean stupid.

 

[Kovalev27]

One year of it, though? Why not? It's not like this team as-is is going to be anywhere close to the cap...

if they add a trouba and panarin its close no?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

if they add a trouba and panarin its close no?

Still need a proper goalie

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I see no reason to move staal. he can finish his contract right in time for Kandre to come in. I don't consider it an issue

shatty I think has more value around the league than people realize. righty dman only 2 years left on contract. runs a pp. that's attractive to teams. we may not get much but I think there's value there.

Smith while overpaid can be your 12th forward AND your 7th dman. he's fine too.

no one picks the panthers over the Rangers if both teams want a guy. No one. guys don't want to play in empty buildings. I know some think its a myth but original 6 playing for a world class organization that treats their players like royalty every one wants to play for the Rangers. very few don't. I'd be shocked if he picked the panthers over the rangers unless the difference in money is stupid. not just the same I mean stupid.

Staal sucks and eats a spot. If you can move him, you do it yesterday. It won't happen, but if there were ever a chance, it should be done. Realistically, there needs to be a time next year where he becomes an extra. Ideally, I think K'Andre is Skjei's replacement, not Staal's and we already have Staal's replacement here who will be blocked by him because, reasons - thats really the biggest issue with him being here. It was cute last year because he helped us suck but if they're going to be serious about developing players, he needs to sit.

Smith is less of an issue since he can be used as you said or he can simply be Waived.

Panarin wouldn't be picking just the Panthers over the Rangers. He'd be picking a location, coach, opportunity to win sooner over the Rangers (Plus other potential perks like having friends on the team.) Its a tough sell for a team that was just as bad as they were last year.

 

[Ola]

No offense, but if the cost was Andersson for Trouba + 2nd, even I would be on board with that.

I think the reason many of you are okay with a Trouba trade is because you are vastly undervaluing what he would cost in a trade. Andersson doesn't get you Trouba, let alone adding a 2nd.

The ask from Winnipeg starts with Miller, Lundkvist or Kravtsov and that isn't unreasonable either, he is a legitimate top pairing defenseman. They also probably want their 1st back or our 1st next year. Again, not completely unreasonable asks.

If we make a trade with Winnipeg, you are looking at a range of Winnipeg 1st + Lundkvist + Andersson to NYR 2020 1st + Kravtsov/Miller + Pionk. Again, you all have said it, he is a legitimate top pairing guy. They aren't cheap.

I wouldn’t bank on that we underestimate Trouba’s value, but I think everyone assumes that it’s on the very low side on a scale of what he can fetch.

It’s dependent on a lot of factors. He is basically a rental, one year left. We dealt both McD and Miller with more term left.

Whoever gets him will want to get an extension in place. Trouba has waited a long time to get to choice where to play the second half of his career. How many teams are he interested to sign with? 15? 5? 1-2?

I would bet good money on Karlsson resigning with SJ. Is Pieterangelo getting to July 1st next summer? Odds are that there will be a hole lot of nothing available. Trouba is just entering his prime. If he has good numbers next season — many players have really good contract seasons — what can he get? If he has the same type of contract year as Evander Kane or Matt Duchene and many like that have had, it’s not 7m per but probably closer to 9.5m per if I know NHL GMs right...

So like sure, if he is willing to resign at 7x7 with 25 different NHL teams, he would bring a really good return. But if it’s with 1-2 teams and/or only at 9-10m per it’s going to be less. And lately I think we have seen more and more players be pretty picky on whom to sign with. But we just don’t know all relevant factors to determine his value.

 

[Ola]

Karlsson was pretty recently dealt for a return equivalent to like Claesson, Pionk, a 1st and a 2nd or what was it?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Panarin wouldn't be picking just the Panthers over the Rangers. He'd be picking a location, coach, opportunity to win sooner over the Rangers (Plus other potential perks like having friends on the team.) Its a tough sell for a team that was just as bad as they were last year.

I'm not advocating signing Panarin and it's cool you don't want him either, but some of these reasons, c'mon. Outside of the coach and no state income tax, what makes them so attractive? They're like an hour from Miami, the fans stink, no one goes to the games - the only team with worse attendance was the Islanders and how much sooner are they winning before the Rangers do? Everyone hypes this team up and they disappoint every year. They had 8 more points than the Rangers did last season.