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Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

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mschmidt64 said:
As much as I'd like to have additional bites at the lottery apple in 2020, if a guy like Zegras is there into the teens, I don't think I could resist, if I can get up. Top line center would be the final touches on a long term group of dominant Rangers forwards. Zibanejad/Zegras/Kakko/Kravtsov/Chytil/Buchnevic/Andersson/Howden. Yikes.
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If Zegras lasts into the teens, he's probably not a top line center or else some GM would grab him way before #13. The only way you grab a 1C in the teens is if you draft someone deeply flawed (one trick pony, midget, injured) and everything eventually comes together. That's why they are known as high risk, high return prospects.

Someone who doesn't have awful flaws (e.g., Zegras) either gets drafted much earlier or if he lasts into teens, it's because GMs believe he tops out as an ok second liner as his high ceiling.
 
True Blue said:
Why would Toronto do that?
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Something has to give in TO. They're not paying Nylander that type of money to be buried on the third line, which is where Babcock clearly prefers him. This type of trade would give them a huge boost defensively and save some on the cap to give Marner the ~11 million $ he should and will be getting. Maybe we have to add some to make it work. But Toronto is fooling themselves if they go into next year with this same exact team and think they're ever getting past Boston in the first round.
 
kovazub94 said:
To me the third alternative allows for the most flexibility. The Rangers have enough bullets besides Kreider for 2019 draft which is already a success as we get Kakko.
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I would also try to land another 2020 draft 1st rounder
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
Part of the problem is Toronto needs RDs, not more LDs
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Puck moving RHD is the biggest collective need in all of hockey. Looking at what is rumored to be on the table.. Subban is likely way out of their price range. I doubt the Canes are looking to move any of Hamilton, Pesce, Faulk considering what they're doing now and just lost Fox. Chris Tanev? He doesn't seem like someone TO would be interested in considering his lack of offensive upside. Pittsburgh likely isn't blowing it up and moving Letang.
 
Kovalev27 said:
im not high on lindgren. especially with the way our D is built. we are going to need size on the left side. he's ok but no one im going to go nuts over us not finding a spot for anytime soon. as a depth call up he can be valuable for sure. or in a trade.
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I think that you underestimate Lindgren. One of those not so flashy players, but can be the steadying presence of a defense.

Unlike everyone else in the system, he proactively defends the net, not re-actively. Has a nice sized mean streak and can be miserable to play against.
 
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yeah, he's going to fit right in!

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Fox can flat out play. Very deceptive out there making guys miss with all the "false information". Hes a stud, no doubt and will help the PP getting pucks to the net. He will certainly be fun to watch.

My concern is his defensive play and if he can be trusted against top opposing players and heavier forwards. From what I've seen he's got to get sturdier around his own net and in the corners, which may become an issue. But young right handed pointmen like this don't grow on trees and 100% worth this investment. Hopefully he can work on his strength and develop his NHL defensive game, like most young kids coming into the league need to.

Bonus that he is a Rangers fan since youth, but that hasnt always worked out for us for right handed D lol see Shatty
 
Beacon said:
If Zegras lasts into the teens, he's probably not a top line center or else some GM would grab him way before #13. The only way you grab a 1C in the teens is if you draft someone deeply flawed (one trick pony, midget, injured) and everything eventually comes together. That's why they are known as high risk, high return prospects.
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Or sometimes, players drop. Kopitar was taken 11th. Bergeron 45th. Kuznetsov 26th. Getzlaf 19th. Larkin was 15th. Barzal 16th. There are others. Sometimes players slide. That's the way it happens.
 
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True Blue said:
I think that you underestimate Lindgren. One of those not so flashy players, but can be the steadying presence of a defense.

Unlike everyone else in the system, he proactively defends the net, not re-actively. Has a nice sized mean streak and can be miserable to play against.
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What I liked from what little we saw of him was he played within himself. He seems to know exactly what kind of player he is and what he needs to do to be effective.
 
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JT Kreider said:
Puck moving RHD is the biggest collective need in all of hockey. Looking at what is rumored to be on the table.. Subban is likely way out of their price range. I doubt the Canes are looking to move any of Hamilton, Pesce, Faulk considering what they're doing now and just lost Fox. Chris Tanev? He doesn't seem like someone TO would be interested in considering his lack of offensive upside. Pittsburgh likely isn't blowing it up and moving Letang.
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I don’t think it’s likely that Fox being traded changes the Hurricanes interest in trading from a big strength to address a big weakness, they’d still have 2 big pieces on the roster and have prospects to fill in the gap
 
WeNeverGetaGoodCoach said:
This reminds me of the MSL trade when a player requests a trade and pretty much indicates that Rangers is their target then instead of us paying a discounted price we pay more than we should be.

Also if we accumulated a bunch of high draft picks and won a lottery it doesn't mean we should start throwing those draft picks away by either making dumb trades or drafting questionable players.
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If Fox was available in this years draft and was still on the board in the late first round, would you use your second and third round pick to move up to draft him? I sure would and it would be considered a steal.
 
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egelband said:
Like, he'd just fall to pieces were he to stay another year at school? I don't think that would happen. He might develop/adjust quicker with the Rangers, sure. But 'delaying' is not 'destroying'.
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The point is no one really knows or can know but this allows the Rangers to control as many of those variables as possible.
 
True Blue said:
Panarin has not yet scored 90 points. And by your own thesis, why would you not throw money at Trouba and throw money at Panarin? The Rangers are still not competing next year. In fact, it is more than likely they will not be ready to become true contenders for another 3-4 years. Why would you throw in a max dollars/max years contract, rife with NTC/NMC at a player who, but the time the Rangers are ready to truly compete, will in all likelihood not be the same player he was when they were not?
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Not sure what you mean by not competing TB. Not competing for a cup? or not competing for a playoff spot?

IMO with a couple moves we could do the latter. As for competing for the cup no one was expecting Carolina or Columbus to be competing for a Cup this year either but both are ahead in their second round series and could be the two Eastern teams in the conference finals and the East is considered stronger than the West. Teams can turn around fairly quickly with the right moves but we're not likely to get there with just a bunch of kids.

I get that people don't like $11 mil per talk but Panarin at that number is IMO a better deal than Kreider is at $7. What's more the cap ceiling will no doubt continue to rise along with the cap floor over the course of that contract and with bigger contracts coming off our books before players with ELC's even get to their second contracts. There's this idea that we can wait until those contracts come off before we replace them with similar contracts but what we're looking at in 20-22 as far as a free agent market isn't all that fantastic.
 
eco's bones said:
Not sure what you mean by not competing TB. Not competing for a cup? or not competing for a playoff spot?
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IMO, they bottom out next year. They start to rise in 2021-2022. If things go right, several years later they can be true Cup contenders. Just how I view it realistically.
 
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I can see both sides of the argument, but im liking the fact that a majority of us are fine with this deal despite admitting it was an aggressive move. Its definitely a fair deal for Carolina. Gorton paid up to get him into the system now. Had there been issues with bringing over the Russians and if we had dropped in the draft instead of moving to 2, maybe there would've been more incentive to wait. Who knows.

But now you have a boatload of talent coming in this summer leading into prospects camp and its very exciting. And who knows if even more moves will be made on the draft floor to move up higher into the first or land other surefire prospects closer to NHL time. My only worry is you need to stagger some of these years so they all dont hit RFA status at the same time. But i guess thats a good problem to have.
 
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