Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

[darko]

they needed to wait to see what happens with Dallas' 2nd rounder, if it stayed a 2nd rounder they should have insisted on that draft pick or on Tampa's pick and should have used this opportunity to trade Vesey or Namestnikov.

Maybe Carolina didn't want Names or Vesey.

 

[Beacon]

Saarela's probably an NHLer for at least a few years but it's not a good sign when guys like Gregg McKegg (?) and Phil DiGuiseppe (???) got callups and bottom line time over him.

Saarela was always overrated because people here think the Finnish league is better than what it is. Without one exception, every kid coming here from Liiga has higher expectations than reality.

The Liiga is not terrible, but it is worse than the AHL. Allsvenskan is the second tier in Sweden and according to @Ola the top teams there are on par with many Finnish Liiga teams. Others suggested the same. Watching players move from Liiga to NA leaves that impression also.

 

[darko]

Too much for a player that was going to sign here anyways. Pissing away assets.

Was he though? There are no gimmes.

 

[darko]

There’s always a chance another team could woo him if he got to UFA.

Absolutely

 

[darko]

WTF that sucks. Any opinions on here whether he will play more than 30 games next year?

AHL and then bring him up for the final 29 games.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Love this trade, and really like the aggressiveness from gorts. Our prospect pool needs quality not quantity and we just got it big time. Fox is soooo smoothe and oozes offensive IQ. Assuming it’s two seconds I have absolutely no problem with the price, a lot can happen between now and him being a UFA and id trade two seconds for a guy who would be a top 10 pick in this draft without giving it a second thought.

 

[egelband]

Best Walpurgis ever!

Is Walpurgis a holiday in the US too?

Japan in celebratory mood at start of new imperial era - The Mainichi

New era in Japan begins today. Probably not related to the Fox news, but it's hard to say.

 

[2Leetch_94]

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. I guess in this case it's a fox in hand, two 2nd rounders in the bush.....

 

[TheTakedown]

I’ve been posting since January that Smith would be bought out this summer (in the likely event that he is not traded) That's not speculation on my part. I’ll leave it at that.

Think a trade at 50% is more likely honestly. At $2.225M he is a reliable bottom pairing defender who is slightly above the level of an average league minimum free agent...

I just see no reason to not stuff him in Hartford... His cap hit would be 3.275M for the next 2 years... Buying him out yields a cap benefit this year of $3.3M, but that benefit drops to $1.2M the following year, followed by 2 years of cap charges of $1.14M.

I would personally wait 1 more year then buy him out if you really needed the roster spot. Cap benefit of $1.5M next year, cap charge of $783k the following year

 

[bobbop]

Maybe Carolina didn't want Names or Vesey.

Don’t think there’s a line forming for either.

 

[bobbop]

People don't stop growing at 17?

I’ve gained at least 40 pounds since I was 17. It’s not impossible!

 

[Tob]

Considering the last 20 2nd/3rd we've had in 12 years produced only two full time NHLers in Stepan and Buchnevich, I'm happy with trading away non-1st round picks for known and promising NHL ready players. It took 9 2nd round picks to net 1 NHL player in Stepan, 11 3rd round picks to net Buchnevich. A 2nd and a 2nd/3rd for the player Fox can be, it's worth the gamble every time.

 

[NernieBichols]

My first reaction after the announcement (especially upon realizing the Rangers gave up decent value) was to wonder if Gorts now has confidence he has a move lined up for one of the other smallish, offensive-oriented, RHD (whether Pionk, Shatty, or even ADA) – and therefore decided to not play hardball with Waddell, and just go ahead and pull the trigger.

Maybe Carolina decided to do it today bc optics wise, today might have been the best day they had to take the best deal and run with it. Up 2-0 in round 2 coming home after beating the defending champs. Everyone’s on cloud 9, slip it in there. (B4 the isles have a chance to win game 3 and make everyone nervous) perfect moment for the canes, no? Gorton was always just waiting for them to be willing/ready

 

[Beacon]

Considering the last 20 2nd/3rd we've had in 12 years produced only two full time NHLers in Stepan and Buchnevich, I'm happy with trading away non-1st round picks for known and promising NHL ready players. It took 9 2nd round picks to net 1 NHL player in Stepan, 11 3rd round picks to net Buchnevich. A 2nd and a 2nd/3rd for the player Fox can be, it's worth the gamble every time.

That's about average in the second round and better than average in the third. About 20% of seconds make it in the NHL and 10% of thirds. But many of them are crap players. That's why you're not counting Nieves and Duclair. Maybe 10% of seconds and 5% of thirds become quality NHLers.

 

[egelband]

I just hope everyone is able to give the kid some latitude to grow as he is going to make mistakes, he isnt going to light the world on fire most likely in his first year. He is a great pickup though

Good luck. A guy we got for nothing and shows some promise sitting a tank season gets more hate than Saddam Hussein. Imagine what will happen when Fox gets manhandled like Evander Kane did to the super rookie on Colorado.

 

[egelband]

. Being a little over dramatic. We all love the player. Nobody is screamed about about the picks.

Yep. The rhetoric is ponderous sometimes. I'd say that the board is basically even-keeled and especially on this one. Questioning whether the Rangers might have been able to get the player cheaper is not a wild hot take.

 

[n8]

Well, I don't disagree with the trade but your what if scenario means that the price swiftly declines to zero, actually, because at that point Fox would become a free agent.

We can shape his destiny just as much as we shape our teams'. At Harvard, he's going to stagnate and where we might have gotten a Ryan Ellis caliber of player, we end up with a Mike Mottau instead. In this scenario we pay a bit to increase our chances of molding him into a player at his full potential.

In your scenario, it's also possible that Carolina trades him to another team for a cheaper price and he signs for the rookie cap. Or he goes UFA and signs with another team. We have some vague twitter remarks that he wanted to sign with us (vague because you can't say it outright because of tampering rules, right? but also vague to the point where we can't fully trust a ****in' twitter rumor!) so it's a ridiculous rumor to bet on in the professional sense of it. That's seems like a big gamble to make for improving the trade package but maybe 1 round of value? Or gambling that you don't even get the player.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

This reminds me of the MSL trade when a player requests a trade and pretty much indicates that Rangers is their target then instead of us paying a discounted price we pay more than we should be.

Also if we accumulated a bunch of high draft picks and won a lottery it doesn't mean we should start throwing those draft picks away by either making dumb trades or drafting questionable players.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Was texting back and forth with a couple of hockey guys during work... here's some thoughts on Fox:

• Production wise-> Probably one of the, if not the most prolific offensive defensemen in the last 20 years of college hockey.
• Deft passer, and situational awareness. Just oozes hockey IQ. Can process the game at an elite level.
• Master of deception. Passes, dekes, and moves the puck while breaking down his forecheckers. Can create a transition attack out of nothing.
• Not an elite skater, but more than good enough to play in the NHL given the other skill sets.
• Will need to learn to defend with his feet at the NHL level. Reaching and boxing out works in college hockey against tertiary competition, but he's not going to face those types of minutes in the NHL.
• Make a lot of deft plays that lead to tip ins and rebound chances. Put him out there with good transition wingers and guys that aren't afraid of the net, and he'll create chances by getting pucks up the ice and through to the net.
• Good decision maker when it comes to establishing line changes, and getting pucks in deep where guys can win a battle. Very smart player who understands how to control the pace of the game by using the ice and his teammates. Leagues ahead of some NHL defensemen in this regard.
• Knows how to get lost in the picture and re-appear.
• Question mark is how he handles NHL size and speed, especially and big boys who can carry the puck. There aren't many college kids in his division that fit that profile of player. Will be new to Fox.

how is his physical game?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

so I guess we now know what Gorton meant by accelerating the rebuild.

Another trade this reminds me of is the Tim Erixon who was another can't miss sure thing top prospect, yet turned out to be a complete bust.

 

[n8]

Maybe Carolina didn't want Names or Vesey.

Maybe no one wants them. Names we'd have to retain half to make him tradeable. Still he's just a bottom 6 player at this point. What is that worth? A 5th round pick? Vesey at least scored some goals. Maybe we can squeeze a 2nd out of him at the TDL but not sure we'd get more than a 3rd and a 7th for him.

 

[n8]

This reminds me of the MSL trade when a player requests a trade and pretty much indicates that Rangers is their target then instead of us paying a discounted price we pay more than we should be.

Also if we accumulated a bunch of high draft picks and won a lottery it doesn't mean we should start throwing those draft picks away by either making dumb trades or drafting questionable players.

you do realize pretty much every player you draft is questionable?
I guess the only thing to do in your eyes is to make smart trades which only happen in whacky HF proposals.
Remember, one GM's smart trade is another GM's dumb trade. Gorton has done pretty well on most trades.
Trading up to draft K'Andre for example. It's a shame he's a questionable player.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Man the Rangers D situation is a weird mish mash of players right now.

On the left side right now you currently have signed and likely to make the roster
Skjei
Hajek
Staal
Smith

In the system you have as notables
Miller
Lindgren
Rykov

On the right

Shattenkirk
DeAngelo
Fox
Pionk

In the system
Lundkvist
Keane

Maybe forgetting some guys but in general it's a gonna be a weird few years seeing who is traded, who busts, who is signed as a FA, etc

What is the deal with Rykov, he is likely the most NHL ready prospect on D and we still haven't signed him.

We still have Claesson's rights, I am guessing they trade him for whatever draft pick they can get.

We also got Day, Crawley, Reunanen, Ragnarsson, Gross, Sjalin, Bigras, Raddysh.

Shattenkirk should be traded no matter what. Looks like Lindgren, Crawley and Rykov are out of luck unless Skjei is moved or Staal is bought out.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

you do realize pretty much every player you draft is questionable?
I guess the only thing to do in your eyes is to make smart trades which only happen in whacky HF proposals.
Remember, one GM's smart trade is another GM's dumb trade. Gorton has done pretty well on most trades.
Trading up to draft K'Andre for example. It's a shame he's a questionable player.

Miller had to be a slam dunk because that was a steep price to pay, another time it happened when we got Korpikoski (Sather & Maloney) did not really work out so great.

last season I wasn't feeling it with Nils Lundkvist (and still don't) and the goalie Lindbom was a wasted high draftpick. in 2015 we traded up to get Gropp who has been a total bust so far.

 

[Ola]

Maybe Carolina decided to do it today bc optics wise, today might have been the best day they had to take the best deal and run with it. Up 2-0 in round 2 coming home after beating the defending champs. Everyone’s on cloud 9, slip it in there. (B4 the isles have a chance to win game 3 and make everyone nervous) perfect moment for the canes, no? Gorton was always just waiting for them to be willing/ready

I was thinking about Fox being selected for the WCHs by Drury. It’s not tampering, but we shouldn’t be talking to him. It could have annoyed some.