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Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

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BBKers said:
So far so good.
Now (all) I want to see is:
  • NYR Draft Kaapo Kakko at #2
  • Winnipeg’s 2019 pick winding up at #19 or #20
  • Dallas to the WCF (NYR acquires #28 at best) and Zucc then resigning in Dallas (add another 1st in 2020)
  • Ryan Callahan + #27 to NYR for #58 and Sean Day
  • Chris Kreider dealt for the best possible return
  • Lots of Positive Wheeling and Dealing at the draft.
  • Brady Skjei + an add for Jakob Trouba. This add might hurt a bit though.
  • Jimmy Vesey and Neil Pionk to Edmonton for Brandon Manning (buy out or stash in Hartford) + Zach Kassian + 2020 2nd Rounder
  • Kevin Shattenkirk (50%) to any sucker GM hoping for a miracle. Return not that important just that it does not cause trouble in the rebuilding -process
  • Brendan Smith bought out
  • The 3 Russian Kosacks (Shesty, Kravtsov & Rykov) + Reuanen all signed to ELCs. Along with Adam Fox of course.
  • Virta with an AHL deal
  • No EK67. No Panarin. Maybe 1-2 short term vet UFAs. Maybe that Russian sniper Burdasov. Maybe nothing.
  • 7 RFAs resigned. A couple longer deals, the rest bridge contracts. All UFAs dumped.
  • Names dealt at the deadline for a 2nd. Rangers blow in 2019/2020 and Hank waives and asks management to trade him at the 2020 TDL for a “Kings Ransom”. Some extraordinary stupid GM bites...
Not asking too much now, am I?
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On board with all this except the Skjei trade. Trouba is exactly what we need but would wait and try to sign him or get a similar rhd without trading Skjei.
 
Gotta be aggressive at this point. Love this deal. This kid is a first round talent and can step in and compete for a spot next season.

This is all about timing. Gave a little more to get him earlier but now he can work with the team in the offseason, meet his future teammates and go through a training camp with guys he’ll hopefully be playing with for a while. This is how you build a competing core to get to where you wanna be.

I love the aggressiveness by Gorton here. With Kakko/Hughes, Kravstov, Sherky, etc. coming now is the time to get skilled bodies in here that are more proven then a second round pick that who knows what will come of it in 3 years.
 
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effen said:
Most of them probably would if you bundled Winnipeg's 1st with Kreider. Logic being in you fail in your PO run you can trade him for a 1st yourself at the deadline.

21st + next years 23rd (if you cant make the POs or sing him) for 13th or something doesn't seem too far off.
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Ugh, that’s awful for the Rangers and too far the other way. We’re giving up Kreider to move 4-6 spots from Winnipeg.

IMO we are severely underrating the value of Chris Kreider, especially at a 50 percent discount. For example, when we talk Arizona, we are talking about missing the playoffs by 4 points.
 
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Beacon said:
I will take a money bet with anyone here that Fox eventually becomes better than 3 of 5 guys drafted 8-12 this June. He's worth a #10OA pick. Those picks are overrated and Fox is a great prospect.
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I agree.

Knowing what we know so far about Fox. I bet Fox goes top 6 in this draft if he didn’t have issues with signing with a team.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
2 picks - a 2nd and 3rd or another 2nd for adam fox ?

and people are whining ??

you want something ?? you either go get it or hope you get it.

fyi, heres some names that we used 2nds on..... and trust me the 3rds are worse....

2013 boo nieves
2014 brandon halverson
2015 ryan gropp
2018 olaf lindbom

woof.
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Nieves was 2011
 
Edge said:
Ugh, that’s awful for the Rangers and too far the other way. We’re giving up Kreider to move 4-6 spots from Winnipeg.

IMO we are severely underrating the value of Chris Kreider, especially at a 50 percent discount. For example, when we talk Arizona, we are talking about missing the playoffs by 4 points.
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11th? 10th? I mean it entirely depends on who drops, and if they'd be a good get at 9 they'd be a good get at 13.

It wouldnt be Kreider + pick for better pick, it'd be Kreider + pick for Guy Who Fell They Love, yanno?
 


Brooks’ insistence that the Rangers should buy out Shattenkirk is just so ridiculous. It would be a massive hit on the cap and with some level of retention someone will take Shattenkirk. Give me a break. Buying him out would be stupid. If you can’t trade him then keep him. The guy has underwhelmed but Brooks has treated him like garbage in the press and often times it’s undeserved. The guy took a discount and less term to come here, has been ravaged by injuries. Buying him out makes no sense. Especially not this summer.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
2 picks - a 2nd and 3rd or another 2nd for adam fox ?

and people are whining ??

you want something ?? you either go get it or hope you get it.

fyi, heres some names that we used 2nds on..... and trust me the 3rds are worse....

2013 boo nieves
2014 brandon halverson
2015 ryan gropp
2018 olaf lindbom

woof.
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We also used a second to trade up for K'Andre last year.
 
Seems pretty clear Uncle Larry is ready for the rebuild to be over

Buying out Smith I could understand, but Shattenkirk I can’t see the reasoning

And why would they buy anyone out, just hang onto them for another season. They don’t need the cap space or roster spots right now
 
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Thirty One said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that the two picks are better value than Fox, just that there was the opportunity to get Fox while giving up less.

But in the end if you can get a dollar for two dimes, how much to you want to risk the deal falling apart to get the second one down to a nickel?
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That's the whole point. Fox has nothing to prove in college. The Rangers get another year of him, and ensure that they get a top tier player for a 2nd round pick. IMO if Fox is compared against the defensemen available in this draft.... where does he fall?

Outside of Byram... I think he'd be the 2nd best available.... and he only cost the 37th overall plus a 3rd.... on top of which... you don't have to wait 3 years for him to contribute.

NYRangers0723 said:
Nobody is “attached” to picks. We all love getting Fox. Some of us just felt that considering he had no intention of signing there and wanted to be here we could of held out for not as high of a pick
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Hey it's a matter of Gorts being proactive versus reactive. I would take proactive above reactive any day of the week.

Vitto79 said:
Pretty much a 1st for two 2nds which happens all the time in the draft when a team trades up
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Yes and out of the top of the draft order this year... where would Foxxy fall? Did the Rangers just trade a 2nd and 3rd for the best available defensemen in this years draft outside of Byram?

I would argue yes.

JT Kreider said:
No. Because Gordie Clark has the worst track record in the league when it comes to 2nd round picks.
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Haha... hey look I know Olof didn't play much... but the hockey guys I spoke with think Olaf's performance in the U18s last year is on par with some really high end goalies...

That said.... from an asset managemen perspective... I give Gorts and A on this one. I've blasted Gorts more than most on this board, but when you manage assets like he did on this deal you tip the hat.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:


Brooks’ insistence that the Rangers should buy out Shattenkirk is just so ridiculous. It would be a massive hit on the cap and with some level of retention someone will take Shattenkirk. Give me a break. Buying him out would be stupid. If you can’t trade him then keep him. The guy has underwhelmed but Brooks has treated him like garbage in the press and often times it’s undeserved. The guy took a discount and less term to come here, has been ravaged by injuries. Buying him out makes no sense. Especially not this summer.
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i don't think any buyouts make sense for us now. we don't need the cap space right now and it just adds dead cap space down the road when we might be competitive and looking to spend again

if the goal is to just let someone else play, we'd be better off just sticking him in the press box
 
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n8 said:
I'm staking my tent in the "fair value" camp. A 2nd alone for Fox would have been larceny. If it was a 2nd and a 4th, we're still on the win side of this trade. Fox is a top prospect. A 2nd and a 3rd is like a fair deal on our end. The conditional (you knew Gorton just HAD to, it's his calling card now) isn't harsh. Fox playing 30 games means he's established himself as an NHL player. With our current roster, we actually have a lot of roster players so Fox would have to have a McDounagh-esque training camp in which case we win. Unless we trade or buyout a bunch of players, it's likely he starts out in Hartford and plays his way on to the roster. Also a win for his development. If he takes longer to develop, we only give up the extra 3rd.

Any speculation about getting a better deal - you're talking about POSSIBLY getting Fox for a 2nd + 3rd instead of maybe two 2nds, is that that big of a difference to get upset about? We get him in our system a year early, into our system a year early, draft plans aligned early, he doesn't risk tcgetting injured in college, plays against better competition no matter where he plays, etc. All the positives far outweigh maybe acquiring him for a 2nd and 3rd instead of the maybe two 2nds we got him for today. And your kidding yourself if you think the price goes below that just because Carolina MIGHT be desperate a year from now. What if Fox scores 100 points in Harvard next season? The price goes up to two 1sts maybe?
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Well, I don't disagree with the trade but your what if scenario means that the price swiftly declines to zero, actually, because at that point Fox would become a free agent.
 
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Buying out Shattenkirk is about the dumbest thing the Rangers could do as an organization. If he has to be off the team so badly eat half of his cap hit and trade him for a 3rd, some team would definitely do it. But there's no rush to move him unless they intend to acquire a Trouba/Karlsson
 
I don't want to be a hater but when was the last time a team have the Rangers a break like this. Seems Carolina had zero leverage and the Rangers threw them a bone. Seems a bit impatient. But anyhow, who am I to argue. I don't know all the facts.
 
I just hope everyone is able to give the kid some latitude to grow as he is going to make mistakes, he isnt going to light the world on fire most likely in his first year. He is a great pickup though
 
Shatty has never been the same since the knee injury. He's a 4-5 dman at this stage in his career. Trade him for what you can, hopefully someone offers a 2nd for him and call it a night.
 
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