Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

[Edge]

So does he easily become our best defensive prospect?

I think Fox becomes our second best defensive prospect.

He's older and further along than Miller, but Miller is a very unique combination with a fairly high ceiling.

 

[Bluenote13]

Yes... 30 games this season on the big club

I'll take the under

 

[Levitate]

If Fox shows he deserves to hang at the NHL level I don't think the Rangers will keep him under 30 games specifically because of that condition. I don't think you hold a player back like that just for a draft pick, you thank your lucky stars that the guy you spent assets to acquire is playing well enough that you even have to think about the condition in the first place.

I have no clue how he'll adapt. College players seem to do pretty well going straight to the NHL so I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the roster opening night

 

[n8]

We're getting better at trading away pairs of 2nd rounders. Eric Staal ----> Brenden Smith ----> Adam Fox.

you forgot Ryan Clowe, no?

 

[Ola]

That is sick news!!! Will be so fun to watch the Worlds this year.

And there are so many mega talents there. Kane, Matthews, AO, Malkin, Kucherov, Hank and co.

From one perspective the WCH is more like Let’s Dance than a real ultra competitive competition. But I still think it’s a bit underrated tournament, mega stars mixed in with up and coming kids and profiles from the smaller countries. And like the level of play is really high when the best teams play each other.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

In terms of total upside? Yeah maybe Miller has a higher upside, I dunno about Lundkvist, but in terms of development and NHL readiness Fox is definitely #1

I think both Miller and Lundkvist have higher upside. Obviouslly, neither will be in the NHL next season, but they’re each about 3 years younger than Fox.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I didn’t think naming Hayes or Vesey would be necessary.

As far as I’m concerned, McDonagh, Stepan, Kreider, and Hagelin are all included within the context of NCAA players making an impact here.

I remember the Vesey sweepstakes. For every person who hoped he’d be a top-6 forward, another saw him as a 3rd-line scoring winger (which is what he’s become).

Im not talking about everyone who was an NCAA player.

I'm talking about these steal pickups we get. Guys who either were undrafted or refused to sign an ELC. Throw in guys who "only wanted to come here" and offensive dmen like Yandle and Shattenkirk who we "stole"

Everytime we go crazy about what a deal we got with these guys it NEVER works out.

This place stat watches. It doesn't know how to evaluate these NCAA guys and it does not know how to evaluate offensive dmen.

I'm sure an individual or two is capable but we're going to get dozens of pages squealing with excitement over Fox just like we did for all those other guys I mentioned.

That said, I'm not bitter, I think Fox is his own case. There's no reason to think he will fail. I just won't read everyone's excitement and fall into the trap of believing the hype again.

 

[Levitate]

That is sick news!!! Will be so fun to watch the Worlds this year.

And there are so many mega talents there. Kane, Matthews, AO, Malkin, Kucherov, Hank and co.

From one perspective the WCH is more like Let’s Dance than a real ultra competitive competition. But I still think it’s a bit underrated tournament, mega stars mixed in with up and coming kids and profiles from the smaller countries. And like the level of play is really high when the best teams play each other.

I think it's a great chance to see a guy like Fox against some NHL level competition. Same with Kakko. It's not "real" NHL level day in day out stuff but it's not an all-star game level either

 

[pblawr]

ESPN, The Athletic, and TSN all rate Fox higher than Miller. I like Miller and think some of those services underrate him, but there is definitely a clear consensus that Fox is a better prospect than Miller.

 

[JimmyG89]

Im not talking about everyone who was an NCAA player.

I'm talking about these steal pickups we get. Guys who either were undrafted or refused to sign an ELC. Throw in guys who "only wanted to come here" and offensive dmen like Yandle and Shattenkirk who we "stole"

Everytime we go crazy about what a deal we got with these guys it NEVER works out.

Yandle was because coach winterfresh didn't know how to use him. Kept putting him on the 3rd pair and 2nd PP. Look at him in Florida now? He's putting up the points and playing well.

Shattenkirk was a steal of a deal before he kept getting hurt. Vesey was overhyped, but he was the top college UFA. Hayes was as advertised though and worked out. His season this year was really strong, and last season as well. a 2C for free? That's worth the hype. We just aren't a team that could re-sign him. We're not in contention and going through a rebuild.

 

[Beacon]

I hate the idea of trading two 2nds for him if Carolina had no leverage at all. I also have my doubts about him being top pairing material.

Do I like the idea of having him in the pool? Absolutely. Do I love the possibilities of trading two second rounders in the next two drafts that are looking very, very deep? Not at all.

A pair of early seconds have a combined chance of under 1 in 3 to become an NHLer with trade value. The vast majority bust and a lot of NHLers have no trade value (Glass, Eric Boulton, every backup goalie). It's not that big of a deal. Plus, we can use Names, Vesey, Fast, Shatty to acquire more second and third round picks.

 

[Levitate]

Im not talking about everyone who was an NCAA player.

I'm talking about these steal pickups we get. Guys who either were undrafted or refused to sign an ELC. Throw in guys who "only wanted to come here" and offensive dmen like Yandle and Shattenkirk who we "stole"

Everytime we go crazy about what a deal we got with these guys it NEVER works out.

Yandle did well. Not re-signing him or using him properly wasn't an issue with how he performed. Shattenkirk's tenure has been marred by injury and coincided with the whole team tanking so dunno what to say about him.

Other guys...I think most people focus on the potential upside but are fairly realistic. No one talked up Hayes like he was going to be an all-star, but he DID turn out to be a very good player. People liked the potential they saw in a young defenseman like Pionk, but no one was talking him up as a for sure top 4 guy. People saw good things about Vesey and maybe he's a guy they went overboard the most on, but at the most people hoped he could be a 20 goal 2nd liner and while he irritates the crap out of me with how he plays, he hasn't been far off of that.

Erixon is a ways back and I think everyone is kind of surprised at how that turned out. That said, Fox is probably the best prospect the Rangers have acquired this way but even so my top expectations are for a 2nd pair guy at even strength and a top PP producer. At worst, he's a PP specialist who can't hold down a roster spot. That said, a 2nd pairing PP QB is pretty damn valuable.

 

[TheTakedown]

Illuminati confirmed

 

[pblawr]

It's crazy to think that on this date 2 years ago we had arguably the worst prospect pool in the NHL and after this year's draft we will likely have the league's best prospect pool with Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and DeAngelo all in the NHL. Gorton deserves a lot of credit.

 

[n8]

Little history lesson for the 2nd/3rd rounders traded in the last few years:

Tim Erixon: Tyler Wotherspoon (wut), Markus Granlund (pillow soft bottom sixer)
Ryan Clowe: Gabryel Boudreau (wut), Yan-Pavel Laplante (wut)
Eric Staal: Artur Kayumov (???), Aleksi Saarela (can't manage a callup for Carolina in 3 years)
Brendan Smith: Zachary Gallant (????), Jonatan Berggren (3 points in 26 games in SEL)

BuT mUh AsSeTs

selected right after Tyler Wotherspoon, Nikita Kucherov.
2017 picks are too early to tell.
Overall i'm ok with this trade though.

 

[ShreddieKrooger]

The Hockey News' Future Watch has Fox at number 30 and K'Andre Miller at 62 for what it's worth. Fox was listed as the Canes' second best prospect behind Necas in the same issue. I do believe Fox will be better than the naysayers think but not as good as those who are really high on him think. I hope those who love this deal are right. I'm cautiously optimistic

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Great time to be a Ranger fan. Things are coming together quicker than I thought. I better not ****ing die in the next few years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's crazy to think that on this date 2 years ago we had arguably the worst prospect pool in the NHL and after this year's draft we will likely have the league's best prospect pool with Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and DeAngelo all in the NHL. Gorton deserves a lot of credit.

2 years ago our best defensive prospect was Pionk...

 

[TheTakedown]

A downside of this is now we can't offersheet Kapanen/Johnsson.

Toronto better like Pionk.

Toronto needs some form of defense, pionk would be a good asset for them

 

[bobbop]

He is on NYR roster today, so, actually, per the English language, that is precisely speculation.

Maybe you are confident in some inside info, maybe you think speculation has a more squishy definition which implies lack of rationale (such as inside info).

But actually, apparently since at least January, you have been speculating regarding Smith's future w NYR.

i clearly use the possessive in stating this is not my speculation. If you have paid any attention to my posts over the last 14 years, you should know I always make a clear delineation between what is my speculation and what is not.

You obviously didn’t go to Catholic school.

 

[Ola]

Best Walpurgis ever!

Is Walpurgis a holiday in the US too?

 

[TheTakedown]

Not sure there's a connection.

I think he realized that, at the very least, he had 3 second round picks to work with. He used one to get a player who will turn pro immediately.

At a minimum, he still has 21, 50 and 58 to work with, and that doesn't take into account what the Rangers might do with Kreider.

It's also worth noting that if certain players climb a little, that also means guys like Zegras and Newhook could be available outside the top 10.

But I think it goes back to what's been said for a year, I think the Rangers view this draft being about quality and not quantity. I could see a scenario where coming away with Kakko, Zegras/Newhook/whoever, a prospect, and Fox is worth Kreider, the Jets pick, and all our second rounders.

I think they'll take that exchange rate.

I think last year was about quantity, so I fully agree with you here.

 

[aufheben]

Yan-Pavel Laplante.

 

[cwede]

ESPN, The Athletic, and TSN all rate Fox higher than Miller. I like Miller and think some of those services underrate him, but there is definitely a clear consensus that Fox is a better prospect than Miller.

Fox is more ready, and further along, after 3 full NCAA seasons,
while Miller has had just the 1 shortened NCAA season, and only the few recent seasons playing D.

So there is more basis to project Fox's NHL impact with confidence than Miller
That doesn't disrespect or undervalue Miller's strengths or prospects

 

[Ghost of jas]

Best Walpurgis ever!

Is Walpurgis a holiday in the US too?

Might be a drug store in some parts of the country.

 

[Beacon]

I would package Pionk in a Kreider deal.

I would package Shatty. Kreider and Shatty for #14.