Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

[Levitate]

The Hockey News' Future Watch has Fox at number 30 and K'Andre Miller at 62 for what it's worth. Fox was listed as the Canes' second best prospect behind Necas in the same issue. I do believe Fox will be better than the naysayers think but not as good as those who are really high on him think. I hope those who love this deal are right. I'm cautiously optimistic

I mentioned it before but I think it depends on how you're ranking the prospects. Fox has a larger body of work and is more NHL ready, lots of times that will get a player ranked higher.

Miller may have a higher upside though, he could potentially be a better player down the road, but he doesn't have the track record yet to go along with that potential. If 2 years from now Miller is doing what Fox did then he's going to be right at the top of any prospects list.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Yandle was because coach winterfresh didn't know how to use him. Kept putting him on the 3rd pair and 2nd PP. Look at him in Florida now? He's putting up the points and playing well.

Shattenkirk was a steal of a deal before he kept getting hurt. Vesey was overhyped, but he was the top college UFA. Hayes was as advertised though and worked out. His season this year was really strong, and last season as well. a 2C for free? That's worth the hype. We just aren't a team that could re-sign him. We're not in contention and going through a rebuild.

Im aware of all of that. None of it really makes me change my mind though.

I think to a degree those are excuses. Yandle flat out wasn't that good anymore. Shattenkirk couldn't have been let go by Washington fast enough according to their fans. Hayes was not living up to hype until last year. We got a season and a half of him sort of measuring up to the hype (and us being terrified to re-sign him bc of there being no guarantee he'd be what he's been for just a season and a half)

 

[eco's bones]

I think the issue is what to do with the right side of our D. Shattenkirk, DeAngelo, Pionk and Fox are all smallish puck moving D and there's not really one guy that's really reliable enough defensively that you'd be comfortable playing on your penalty kill. For those who think Brendan Smith can move over from the left side or left wing every night--he's not all that reliable either and kind of a penalty taking machine and certainly not capable of handling entire penalty kills (when he's not the one sitting in the box) and to be honest if it were me anyway I'd be buying him out if I couldn't find a team to trade him to.

So I think the Rangers should look into a more defensive minded right sided guy with a little bit more size anyway and I think Coach Quinn would be approving of that.

We should try to move Shattenkirk--maybe Pionk--maybe both. But we certainly don't need Smith and we don't need Shattenkirk either. I'd take Orpik over either and I kind of hate Orpik.

 

[darko]

How good can Fox be? What type of d-man is he?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How good can Fox be? What type of d-man is he?

Top 4 pp guy.

 

[Levitate]

I think the issue is what to do with the right side of our D. Shattenkirk, DeAngelo, Pionk and Fox are all smallish puck moving D and there's not really one guy that's really reliable enough defensively that you'd be comfortable playing on your penalty kill. For those who think Brendan Smith can move over from the left side or left wing every night--he's not all that reliable either and kind of a penalty taking machine and certainly not capable of handling entire penalty kills (when he's not the one sitting in the box) and to be honest if it were me anyway I'd be buying him out if I couldn't find a team to trade him to.

So I think the Rangers should look into a more defensive minded right sided guy with a little bit more size anyway and I think Coach Quinn would be approving of that.

We should try to move Shattenkirk--maybe Pionk--maybe both. But we certainly don't need Smith and we don't need Shattenkirk either. I'd take Orpik over either and I kind of hate Orpik.

only take Orpik if the idea is to tank again next year. He sucks.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'd rank him on par with Miller, though they're very very different kinds of D. Definitely ahead of Lundkvist. Fox's D+1 season was just as impressive as Miller's and he hasn't done anything but hold up that standard. Miller is probably very slightly ahead of him, but that's mostly because of his physical skillset giving him a crazy high ceiling.

He is ahead of Miller by quite a shot. Carolina said if they could have signed him he would be playing right now much like Makar did.

 

[Beacon]

Exactly my point.

It's fair value for sure, but limits us with other moves, like say you also need a new stove in addition to that truck. Life doesn't exist in a vacuum (you may have needed a new vacuum also lol)

Getting Kakko limits our ability to as also draft Byram, but you get the best option. Fox >>>>>>>> seconds

 

[Tawnos]

He is ahead of Miller by quite a shot. Carolina said if they could have signed him he would be playing right now much like Makar did.

Being closer to NHL ready =/= better prospect necessarily. Everyone balances potential versus readiness in their own way, but none are more correct than any others.

 

[LORDE]

Getting Kakko limits our ability to as also draft Byram, but you get the best option. Fox >>>>>>>> seconds

I was thinking more along the lines of WPG 1st + #37 gets us who? Does someone amazing drop enough?

As @Edge mentioned, we can still move Tampa 2nd, Dallas 2nd or 1st... Kreider etc.

But this removes a bullet from the chamber this draft and next.

 

[Tawnos]

I was thinking more along the lines of WPG 1st + #37 gets us who? Does someone amazing drop enough?

As @Edge mentioned, we can still move Tampa 2nd, Dallas 2nd or 1st... Kreider etc.

But this removes a bullet from the chamber this draft and next.

Likely doesn't get us a better prospect than Fox.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I was thinking more along the lines of WPG 1st + #37 gets us who? Does someone amazing drop enough?

As @Edge mentioned, we can still move Tampa 2nd, Dallas 2nd or 1st... Kreider etc.

But this removes a bullet from the chamber this draft and next.

It removed a bullet from a machine gun rather than a six shooter

 

[Beacon]

Need to stop bashing Pionk. He was a 23 year old rookie defenseman. They normally take longer to develop, and he's always been a late bloomer. Pionk will be significantly better in 2 years (2020-21). Let's be patient.

 

[mike14]

He is on NYR roster today, so, actually, per the English language, that is precisely speculation.

Maybe you are confident in some inside info, maybe you think speculation has a more squishy definition which implies lack of rationale (such as inside info).

But actually, apparently since at least January, you have been speculating regarding Smith's future w NYR.

Ahh, but if he's passing on info from someone else then he is correct in saying that it's not speculation on his part. The speculating is being done by another party.
Words are fun....

 

[Levitate]

Need to stop bashing Pionk. He was a 23 year old rookie defenseman. They normally take longer to develop, and he's always been a late bloomer. Pionk will be significantly better in 2 years (2020-21). Let's be patient.

Maybe, maybe. I didn't see a lot in his game that improved enough to make me think he was fulfilling some of his potential. Maybe a lot of that was him being overplayed, maybe not. I'd be a lot more comfortable thinking of him as a potential 3rd pairing D down the road rather than what the Rangers were trying to force him to be last year.

 

[Rempe73]

How good can Fox be? What type of d-man is he?

He’s similar to DeAngelo, but with worse skating ability. Fox does seem to have a higher hockey IQ, though. Similar defensive issues at the same age, but DeAngelo fixed his (and his defense was arguably worse), so I’m hopeful for Fox. And like ADA right now, he will most likely be a good top 4 guy who is great on the power play, with a small possibility of becoming a top pairing defenseman. Being a huge fan of ADA, I’m also a huge fan of Fox.

 

[pblawr]

How good can Fox be? What type of d-man is he?

He's probably the most offensively talented defenseman outside of the NHL. He led all NCAA players (including forwards) in ppg and was 50% above Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes, who are regularly considered the top 2 NHL defensive prospects. He was far and away the best player on a team that qualified for the NCAA tournament, contributing on almost 50% of their goals and outproducing the next highest scoring player on his team by roughly 50%. Stylistically, he's not an elite skater who leads the rush up ice, but is a very smart player who moves all over the offensive zone and uses elite vision and passing to set teammates up.

People who are lower on him question his defensive ability and that's really where the uncertainty is. He's small, not that physical, and is not an elite skater. On the other hand, he is a very smart player and statistically he was one of the best transition defenders in the NCAA this season. So while he doesn't have the best physical toolset, there is some potential defensively. The question is really how much his smarts and hockey sense can make up for his limited physical ability.

In the best case, I think his upside is something like a Letang and a more negative projection would be something like Goestisbehere in a down year with the most likely outcome somewhere in between.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Curious when he signs, you would assume it’s coming soon

Probably within in the next couple days. He’d be eligible for a 3 or 2 year ELC?

 

[Thirty One]

Curious when he signs, you would assume it’s coming soon

Probably within in the next couple days. He’d be eligible for a 3 or 2 year ELC?

3, I think. He'll be 21 on September 15.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

3, I think. He'll be 21 on September 15.

Yes, he turned 21 earlier this year.

 

[Irishguy42]

Curious when he signs, you would assume it’s coming soon

Probably within in the next couple days. He’d be eligible for a 3 or 2 year ELC?

3 year ELC

And yes, should be soon, as he is attending the WC.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Not thrilled with this trade even though I like the player. I felt Carolina had little to no leverage yet they ended up with a great deal. Giving up the 37th overall pick was unnecessary since you can get a good player at that spot. I felt the Tampa pick would be more than enough for a kid we knew was not signing there and wanted to be here. Yes I understand he has played well above his third round selection but its not like he was a first rounder. I mean if the Starts could manage to beat the Blues(I have my doubts) then it makes it better but I just felt we jumped the gun and gave up too much to a team that had no leverage

 

[Beacon]

Fox was a high 3rd himself.

The winning lottery ticket was once worth $2, but it isnt worth $2 now, nor is a new lottery ticket likely to make you rich.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

The 37th pick hurts, but it's not worth it complaining. We'll see what he is soon enough.

Welcome to Rongostown!

 

[NYRangers0723]

Im guessing that moving up in the lottery and the Winnipeg pick looking better and better Gorton decided he was ok with giving up a higher pick. Like I said I love the player, I just hate giving up a lot to a team that had their backs against the wall