Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

[Off Sides]

Love giving picks to the league for tampering rather than to Carolina.

Anonymous note !

 

[effen]

If he was a real Ranger fan he would have showed more loyalty and passed them an anonymous note written on Harvard letterhead that he was going to refuse to sign with anyone else so they could just keep their picks.

 

[NickyLongLegz]

All of y'all clamouring to trade Kreider, are you aware that a Highly Cerebral Humanoid is generational? Listen here, don’t refer to Highly Cerebral Humanoids so casually, lest ye be smote from the heavens by Chris Kreider and erased from the written history of mankind. #resignkreider

 

[The Crypto Guy]

so I feel like we gave up a lot. there's no way this kid is signing here and not promised a roster spot ala Vesey was. he'll get his 30 games and then its two 2nds one at 37 overall and the other in a very good draft. don't like that one bit.

having said that the rangers throw away their second round picks religiously. and when they do make them they waste them on terrible players. so maybe better off.

having said that they probably had to do it. Carolina has no reason to grant this kid a year early exit to his favorite team IN their division. I would have made him sit. so people saying they had no leverage well not really true. they didn't have to do anything and still could have gotten something next summer for the rights. So I'm sure Gorton had to pay more than he wanted to.

Having said ALL THAT..... I do not think for a second this kid is a top pairing dman. he doesn't skate well AT ALL. he's very heady makes great plays ala tony but doesn't come close to the skating ability. undersized offensive dmen that don't skate well have an up hill battle ahead of them. It will be interesting to see if he can still succeed at the nhl pace.

but he's a way better player than pionk who imo should be gone or in the minors next year. maybe they recoup a second for him or shattenkirk at some point.

If you are so down on him what are you worried about with the second 2nd? He can't skate so he won't play 30 games in the NHL next season.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Little history lesson for the 2nd/3rd rounders traded in the last few years:

Tim Erixon: Tyler Wotherspoon (wut), Markus Granlund (pillow soft bottom sixer)
Ryan Clowe: Gabryel Boudreau (wut), Yan-Pavel Laplante (wut)
Eric Staal: Artur Kayumov (???), Aleksi Saarela (can't manage a callup for Carolina in 3 years)
Brendan Smith: Zachary Gallant (????), Jonatan Berggren (3 points in 26 games in SEL)

BuT mUh AsSeTs

Rangers draft board probably looked different. You also have to look at whom was taken/available in that range.

Art of scouting.

 

[bl02]

Little history lesson for the 2nd/3rd rounders traded in the last few years:

Tim Erixon: Tyler Wotherspoon (wut), Markus Granlund (pillow soft bottom sixer)
Ryan Clowe: Gabryel Boudreau (wut), Yan-Pavel Laplante (wut)
Eric Staal: Artur Kayumov (???), Aleksi Saarela (can't manage a callup for Carolina in 3 years)
Brendan Smith: Zachary Gallant (????), Jonatan Berggren (3 points in 26 games in SEL)

BuT mUh AsSeTs

Guess who was picked right after Wotherspoon at 58 Yep this years MVP.
damn Berggren got so much hype and possibly to go in first round. What happened to him in his D1

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why is no one else paying attention to this post!?

I think it's pretty obvious that someone has to go.

I mean it's not really ground breaking news.

 

[Leetch3]

so I feel like we gave up a lot. there's no way this kid is signing here and not promised a roster spot ala Vesey was. he'll get his 30 games and then its two 2nds one at 37 overall and the other in a very good draft. don't like that one bit.

having said that the rangers throw away their second round picks religiously. and when they do make them they waste them on terrible players. so maybe better off.

having said that they probably had to do it. Carolina has no reason to grant this kid a year early exit to his favorite team IN their division. I would have made him sit. so people saying they had no leverage well not really true. they didn't have to do anything and still could have gotten something next summer for the rights. So I'm sure Gorton had to pay more than he wanted to.

Having said ALL THAT..... I do not think for a second this kid is a top pairing dman. he doesn't skate well AT ALL. he's very heady makes great plays ala tony but doesn't come close to the skating ability. undersized offensive dmen that don't skate well have an up hill battle ahead of them. It will be interesting to see if he can still succeed at the nhl pace.

but he's a way better player than pionk who imo should be gone or in the minors next year. maybe they recoup a second for him or shattenkirk at some point.

this is not a kid that we need to promise a roster spot to convince him to sign with us like vesey, this is a kid that forced a trade cause he only wanted to play for us.

 

[effen]

Guess who was picked right after Wotherspoon at 58 Yep this years MVP.
damn Berggren got so much hype and possibly to go in first round. What happened to him in his D1

lotto tickets gonna lotto ticket
Fox has proven himself to be a lot better than a lotto ticket.

 

[True Blue]

David Quinn when he realizes Gorton is pushing to win sooner rather than later and Staal, Smith, and Shattenkirk are still signed for 2 more years at $16M

Please explain how trading for a prospect that has not stepped a toe onto NHL ice is pushing or a win sooner rather than later? Why can't it be for expansion of the overall prospect pool?

 

[Edge]

I would've been more comfortable with this move if we waited another week and a half and knew if we had the Dallas 1st in our back pocket or not.

My guess is that not much would've changed in the grand scheme of things.

If the Rangers are looking to make a modest move (say 21 to 17), I think the cost is still one of their seconds.

If the Rangers are looking to be really aggressive, I just don't think the deal would rise and fall on the 37th pick in the draft.

But this is a team I expect to be very aggressive.

I know people are drooling over the different combinations possible with 5 picks in the the top 58. But I would not be the least bit surprised if, after the dust settles, the Rangers essentially come away with 3 assets. Granted it would be 3 assets they are particularly high on, but 3 assets nonetheless - Kakko, TBD first rounder, and Fox.

 

[True Blue]

Carolina had plenty of leverage in the form of other teams making them offers.

There were rumors that Fox expressed interest in the Rangers. But far beyond that, the other teams all knew of the approaching deadline. That takes any leverage out of Carolina's hands. They just could have all set back and let him become a free agent.

 

[Ghost of jas]

BTW, Gorton is once again sticking to his word. He talked about using some picks to get players more NHL-ready. Well, here you go. Also, this is more in line with what I've interpreted Gorton to mean when he talks of speeding up the rebuild.

 

[pblawr]

"Last summer, Carolina general manager Don Waddell said Fox was the best defensive prospect not in the NHL."

(Https://nypost.com/2019/04/30/rangers-land-stud-harvard-defenseman-adam-fox-in-hurricanes-trade/)

 

[Ola]

Yea...it is

I get what you mean, at least besides Hayes who eventually got to a pretty high level.

They seldomly become really good players, goto caliber. And often we have high hopes on them — without taking anything for granted.

But at the same time, the sample size is so small. Fox is still a high pick who has taken big steps after his draft.

 

[effen]

I didn't give my sizzling take I realize, but it should be obvious: this is a slam dunk win. Lock up the asset, don't be arrogant to the guy you're trying to recruit by stalling his pro career and the money that comes with it, don't embarass what is generally seen as a bottom-5 GM you're gonna want to deal with later.

 

[Edge]

That's the way we need to think about, if you ask me.

I also think that we're going to have to adjust our expectations if the Rangers are truly going to be aggressive.

By it's very nature, it's not going to be conservative or walking away from a deal because the price might have a moderate premium attached.

I think if the Rangers go down that path, there are going to be moves that make us stop and think, "Wow, that came with a cost."

I know that somewhat flies in the face of what we've seen for more than a year now at the draft, but I believe it's a distinct possibility.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Wait until Barkov ends up here as well.

Barkov and Kakko gonna be fire

 

[Levitate]

Well, Fox was a high 3rd himself. Draft is different with defensemen. Not all the top ones are high picks (Keith, Subban, Weber, Chara, Klingberg, Letang, Josi, Ekholm, Barrie etc etc).

It boils down to the art of the trade or negotiation. It's another trade by Gorton that makes sense but cost more than I expected. I thought the high 2nd was more than enough. Obviously not.

Either way, I'm more happy that Fox is a Ranger than I am upset that he cost a 2nd and a 3rd.

Ultimately it just comes down to how he pans out. Top 4 guy who puts up a ton of points? Worth it. PP specialist who struggles to hold down a roster spot at even strength? Not so much. The price is fair for the kind of prospect he is, we all just always hope it's going to be less than it turns out to be

 

[Tawnos]

There were rumors that Fox expressed interest in the Rangers. But far beyond that, the other teams all knew of the approaching deadline. That takes any leverage out of Carolina's hands. They just could have all set back and let him become a free agent.

Who cares who Fox was interested in? All it meant was that the Rangers would feel pretty good about their chances to sign him if they had his rights. Vesey didn't express any interest in Buffalo, but the Predators were still able to extract a 3rd round pick out of the Sabres for his rights.. and that was for a player who was nowhere nearly as highly thought of as Fox and wasn't someone who played one of the most valuable positions in the game.

That deadline is more than 15 months from now. It' not "approaching" in the sense you mean it, with any urgency. Whatever leverage the Hurricanes lost because of the situation they were in they gained back with the demand that existed in the market. There was no way it was just the Rangers who were interested.

 

[NickyLongLegz]

Was this really worth making an account?

Yes, I'm very passionate about my man Kreider. Nah I've been lurking these threads since the draft lottery so I figured I would make an account anyway.

 

[Levitate]

Rangers draft board probably looked different. You also have to look at whom was taken/available in that range.

Art of scouting.

Eh, I think it at least illustrates that while we value those picks a lot, it's still a very uncertain process and it's easy to misson those picks and get nothing of value out of them.
Sure maybe the Rangers pick someone who makes it, maybe they don't

 

[Bluenote13]

Excellent. Great looking RHD prospect for the right price.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Was this really worth making an account?

It’s Bern’s son.

 

[Matt4776]

Why is 50% of the Florida Panthers fanbase posting on this thread?