Confirmed with Link: Adam Fox for 2019 2nd (NYR), 2020 3rd (cond.)

[Miamipuck]

I am a greedy f***, he was, signing here anyway most likely...... I wait it out.

 

[Thirty One]

Not that it means much but Is he a Rangers or Islander fan? He's a Jericho, Long island guy isn't he?

He's a Ranger fan.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The first thing I take from this move is that the Rangers think Fox is better than any player they could get at 37. It also makes me think they’re not likely targeting a Dman in the first round. Pionk is more than likely a goner. And, finally, I agree with @Edge that this signals to me that Gorton is likely going to be aggressive in the first round.

One other bonus...less of a chance for the Rangers to take a goalie in the 2nd round.

 

[Edge]

My feelings on this exactly. Losing 37 hurts our chances of landing someone who falls out of the top 10.

Eh, maybe/maybe not.

If the Rangers are getting into that kind of position, I believe they'll still have the ability.

I think the bigger factors are the starting point. Getting into that position from 21 is probably a tall order. Getting into that position from 18 is a bit more doable. Getting into that position via a Chris Kreider deal is also possible.

So the final position of the Jets pick is a factor, the Dallas pick is a factor, as is whether the Rangers look to move Kreider.

But when push comes to shove, I don't think us getting what we want comes down to the 37th pick. Was it a tool in the tool box? You bet. Was is the only took? Probably not.

 

[Thirty One]

So many Canes fans calling them the dog**** Rangers, and that they hope he pans out to be a career-AHLer in the mold of Ryan Murphy. Hope the NYR just got the next Ryan Ellis.

He probably didn't want to do skits after home wins. He's an introvert.

 

[SA16]

No it isn't. It was never going to happen.

It is. Losing flexibility is never a good thing.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

All said and done, this was the inevitable outcome. God bless this team for being able to attract these guys that WANT to play here

Can’t imagine being in purgatory like Carolina where these guys have no desire to want to go there

 

[Beacon]

Basically the same trade as Erixon, as I predicted it will be. But instead of a two later seconds plus a B prospect, the Rangers gave up an early second plus either an early third or an early second, but most likely 2 early seconds. That's roughly what they gave up for Erixon, maybe even a little more.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

2 early seconds to get him a year early....

or before someone else trades for him..

 

[Draft Guru]

Eh, maybe/maybe not.

If the Rangers are getting into that kind of position, I believe they'll still have the ability.

I think the bigger factors are the starting point. Getting into that position from 21 is probably a tall order. Getting into that position from 18 is a bit more doable. Getting into that position via a Chris Kreider deal is also possible.

So the final position of the Jets pick is a factor, the Dallas pick is a factor, as is whether the Rangers look to move Kreider.

But when push comes to shove, I don't think us getting what we want comes down to the 37th pick. Was it a tool in the tool box? You bet. Was is the only took? Probably not.

I would've been more comfortable with this move if we waited another week and a half and knew if we had the Dallas 1st in our back pocket or not.

 

[Matt4776]

Basically the same trade as Erixon, as I predicted it will be. But instead of a two later seconds plus a B prospect, the Rangers gave up an early second plus either an early third or an early second, but most likely 2 early seconds. That's roughly what they gave up for Erixon, maybe even a little more.

Have to say I was wrong on this one.

Nice call.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[Matt4776]

The first thing I take from this move is that the Rangers think Fox is better than any player they could get at 37. It also makes me think they’re not likely targeting a Dman in the first round. Pionk is more than likely a goner. And, finally, I agree with @Edge that this signals to me that Gorton is likely going to be aggressive in the first round.

One other bonus...less of a chance for the Rangers to take a goalie in the 2nd round.

On the contrary, we now lose the ability to get a surefire early 2nd round goalie. Because goalies are the most difficult to project position, we probably now need to take two late 2nd round goalies in this year's draft to compensate.

 

[Thirty One]

No.

 

[Rempe73]

It's not a weak draft. Quite the opposite when you consider the center depth.

All those centers and forwards mean that several of the best U18 defensemen in the world will be pushed down to the 2nd and 3rd round, but they have multiple picks so they could afford to trade one.

Very good trade but obviously would have rolled the dice and kept the picks.

Love Fox -- had him ranked in the 1st in 2016 -- but hate the fact that Gorton keeps trading high 2nd rounders. He either felt Lou would have taken him to the woodshed in post-NCAA negotiations, or he doesn't think highly of such high picks.

Or maybe he thinks Fox will step right in and make the Rangers better. If you watched him long enough, you'd know that he's not that good defensively. I mean Pionk-level type of own-end defense. The smarts and the puck skills are excellent, but trading for him (at such a high price) makes me think he will be a Ranger next year, in addition to Kakko, Kravtsov, Shestyorkin and maybe even Panarin. Maybe EK? Who knows.

Either way, he automatically becomes the Rangers' best defense prospect and future PPQB.

Thanks for the input, Steve. You make some good points. I haven’t seen any of his actual games, but I’ve seen highlights. And those obviously don’t show his weaknesses. But I’ve also read scouting reports that say his defending isn’t his biggest issue, and that his skating is a bigger problem. What would you say about that, and do you think the positive parts of his game are good enough overcome the negatives? Also, is he as much of a boom-or-bust as someone like Merkley?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Also that Dallas conditional first getting hit for next year would make this deal easier to stomach on the pick side

Same with them making the WCF honestly, although I’m starting to doubt it happens

 

[aufheben]

Yea...it is

I didn’t think naming Hayes or Vesey would be necessary.

As far as I’m concerned, McDonagh, Stepan, Kreider, and Hagelin are all included within the context of NCAA players making an impact here.

I remember the Vesey sweepstakes. For every person who hoped he’d be a top-6 forward, another saw him as a 3rd-line scoring winger (which is what he’s become).

 

[Mike in Houston]

Has anyone parsed through this kid's Twitter, Facebook, Linked In, My Space, Friendster, Tinder, etc for offensive material yet?

 

[effen]

Little history lesson for the 2nd/3rd rounders traded in the last few years:

Tim Erixon: Tyler Wotherspoon (wut), Markus Granlund (pillow soft bottom sixer)
Ryan Clowe: Gabryel Boudreau (wut), Yan-Pavel Laplante (wut)
Eric Staal: Artur Kayumov (???), Aleksi Saarela (can't manage a callup for Carolina in 3 years)
Brendan Smith: Zachary Gallant (????), Jonatan Berggren (3 points in 26 games in SEL)

BuT mUh AsSeTs

 

[Edge]

The first thing I take from this move is that the Rangers think Fox is better than any player they could get at 37. It also makes me think they’re not likely targeting a Dman in the first round. Pionk is more than likely a goner. And, finally, I agree with @Edge that this signals to me that Gorton is likely going to be aggressive in the first round.

One other bonus...less of a chance for the Rangers to take a goalie in the 2nd round.

I think it bears repeating:

If the Rangers are aggressive in this draft, it will come with a significant cost, it will likely result in fewer picks, and it will assume a degree of risk.

How high the cost, and how many picks it requires, is unknown at this time. A lot will depend on final positions.

For example 18 and 28 might get you 14. Likewise, getting to 12 might require 18, 28 and 58. So you have to be prepared for that possibility. And that is only an option if several scenarios fall into place over the next week.

The alternative is moving a known quantity in Kreider, and then potentially having to use a pick (or picks) to move up again.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Would you roll the dice on those 2nds or have Fox on your roster? The chances those 2nds become anywhere close to Fox's potential is extremely unlikely..do you agree?

Well, Fox was a high 3rd himself. Draft is different with defensemen. Not all the top ones are high picks (Keith, Subban, Weber, Chara, Klingberg, Letang, Josi, Ekholm, Barrie etc etc).

It boils down to the art of the trade or negotiation. It's another trade by Gorton that makes sense but cost more than I expected. I thought the high 2nd was more than enough. Obviously not.

Either way, I'm more happy that Fox is a Ranger than I am upset that he cost a 2nd and a 3rd.

 

[Off Sides]

He's a Ranger fan.

If he was a real Ranger fan he would have showed more loyalty and passed them an anonymous note written on Harvard letterhead that he was going to refuse to sign with anyone else so they could just keep their picks.

 

[Thirty One]

Has anyone parsed through this kid's Twitter, Facebook, Linked In, My Space, Friendster, Tinder, etc for offensive material yet?

In 2012, he said he thought How I Met Your Mother was just hitting its stride.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Either way, I'm more happy that Fox is a Ranger than I am upset that he cost a 2nd and a 3rd.

That's the way we need to think about, if you ask me.

 

[Thirty One]

If he was a real Ranger fan he would have showed more loyalty and passed them an anonymous note written on Harvard letterhead that he was going to refuse to sign with anyone else so they could just keep their picks.

Love giving picks to the league for tampering rather than to Carolina.