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Tawnos

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Raspewtin said:
Even if this was true, so?
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It was just an observation. Thing is, he had a mediocre game overall and took a penalty at a bad time. When you throw in having a miserable shift at an important moment, there's no reason to keep him in the lineup another game.

Nothing I'm saying absolves anyone else on the team. They were all bad last night. But no one else is in a precarious situation, so this is just about him.
 
Raspewtin

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Tawnos said:
It was just an observation. Thing is, he had a mediocre game overall and took a penalty at a bad time. When you throw in having a miserable shift at an important moment, there's no reason to keep him in the lineup another game.

Nothing I'm saying absolves anyone else on the team. They were all bad last night. But no one else is in a precarious situation, so this is just about him.
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His game was "meh" I agree, but he was never going to look above average when he hasn't played since early November. It's not fair to let him in one game, he doesn't dominate, and then use that as rationale to scratch him again. it's ridiculous. Keeping that in mind, and the entire team looking like absolute garbage last game, I find it hard to make any judgment other than "try it again" re: Clendening. I know it's never going to happen and this was just punishment for Klein not playing well, but I can dream I guess.

Penalty call was absolute BS and shouldn't even be a factor.

The team had one big miserable shift the entire game, I know you're saying he's in such a situation so it has to be taken into account, but it just reeks of having no interest in properly utilizing Clendo. Which, clearly this team doesn't want to do.
 
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Raspewtin said:
Certain posters have a really, really hard time understanding this.
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McRanger said:
You'd think that concept would be obvious and universal.

It's not.
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I'm shocked as well that it's such a hard concept to grasp.

Tawnos said:
It was just an observation. Thing is, he had a mediocre game overall and took a penalty at a bad time. When you throw in having a miserable shift at an important moment, there's no reason to keep him in the lineup another game.

Nothing I'm saying absolves anyone else on the team. They were all bad last night. But no one else is in a precarious situation, so this is just about him.
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Another thing that factors is in that Clendening hadn't played for what, almost a month? It's not too easy to come in like that and play really well, especially when your team is mostly playing like garbage.

Again, not saying he was good, he was mediocre, but just a thought in that regard.
 
Tawnos

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The not playing in a while excuse only works when a player is hurt. Otherwise, it's pure BS.

He practices every day with the team. If anything, the adrenaline of getting into the lineup should make him better than his norm, not worse.
 
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Tawnos said:
The not playing in a while excuse only works when a player is hurt. Otherwise, it's pure BS.

He practices every day with the team. If anything, the adrenaline of getting into the lineup should make him better than his norm, not worse.
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How you can equate practicing with the team to an NHL game is truly beyond me.
 
Tawnos

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Raspewtin said:
You literally just said the "not playing in a while" excuse is BS and then proceeded to say "he practices with the team".
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The reason players have a curve when coming back from injury is because they haven't played at all, even in practice. Practice should be enough to keep the rust off.

Clendenings problem was that he played a disengaged and soft game. (The opposite of soft in this context is hard, not tough. Unphysical players can still play a hard game.). This has nothing to do with sitting for a long stretch.
 
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Tawnos said:
The reason players have a curve when coming back from injury is because they haven't played at all, even in practice. Practice should be enough to keep the rust off.

Clendenings problem was that he played a disengaged and soft game. (The opposite of soft in this context is hard, not tough. Unphysical players can still play a hard game.). This has nothing to do with sitting for a long stretch.
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It looked more like he was nervous about making a mistake that would get him benched for the rest of the season. I would say that has everything to do with him sitting for a long stretch.
 
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Clendening looked to me like a guy who's been sitting for a month. He was nervous, somewhat tentative and on top of everything else, he got tagged with a make up penalty.

The solution is to play him another game and then another game. And after 3-5 games if the situation is not improving, waive him out of the league and get another reliable defenseman. One game is not an appropriate audition.

And it probably didn't help that Skeji played a real middling game too. Perhaps he was trying to overcompensate for his partner. He's a rookie too. Might want to pair Clendening with Staal for a game.
 
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Clendening looked to me like a guy who's been sitting for a month. He was nervous, somewhat tentative and on top of everything else, he got tagged with a make up penalty.

The solution is to play him another game and then another game. And after 3-5 games if the situation is not improving, waive him out of the league and get another reliable defenseman. One game is not an appropriate audition.

And it probably didn't help that Skeji played a real middling game too. Perhaps he was trying to overcompensate for his partner. He's a rookie too. Might want to pair Clendening with Staal for a game.
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Yeah. I would have to agree with this.

The idea that practicing keeps your "legs" ready to play has some merit when it comes to conditioning. But it ignores the mental aspect of the game which tends to be as big of an issue as the physical aspect in regards to returning from the press box.

And those usual issues of catching up to the speed of the game and finding a rhythm with your teammates are, at least in this case, compounded by the very real threat of not playing again if a mistake gets made.
 
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Tawnos said:
It was just an observation. Thing is, he had a mediocre game overall and took a penalty at a bad time. When you throw in having a miserable shift at an important moment, there's no reason to keep him in the lineup another game.

Nothing I'm saying absolves anyone else on the team. They were all bad last night. But no one else is in a precarious situation, so this is just about him.
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We have a bantam player playing the same position. That might be a reason.
 
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Machinehead said:
Clendening's grandmother is better than Girardi at this point
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Waiting on that bounce-back season like...

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What's the harm in giving Clendening more than ONE GAME a month. Give him a ****ing shot, we know exactly what we're going to get with Girardi and Klein: ****. Hopefully if given a chance he could become a #4 (hell he doesn't even need to be that to be better than what we have), no one is asking/expecting him to be a Norris finalist. If for no other reason than to put Holden back with McDonagh and while giving Staal a partner who can pass decently, which is what he's needed for 3+ seasons.

Amazing Kreiderman said:
Clendening has not been better than Holden. People like Clendening, because of his style of play. He is a guy who moves the puck well, but aside from that he is a huge liability in the D-zone. I was never a fan of Holden and did not understand why we traded for him, but he has had a pretty good season so far
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A defensively deficient puck-mover is STILL better than the options we currently have. Anton Stralman went from a defenseman even garbage teams didn't want to a top-20 defenseman in the NHL. Clendening does not have to be anything close to that.

Clendening has looked good on the PP. He's looked like a decent partner for Staal. Very very small sample size but our right side is so atrocious why not try it. If he can handle that, it allows Holden to go back to McDonagh's side, which is sadly a big improvement. Also puts Girardi in a reduced role, which again, is a big improvement.
 
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aufheben said:
What's the harm in giving Clendening more than ONE GAME a month. Give him a ****ing shot, we know exactly what we're going to get with Girardi and Klein: ****. Hopefully if given a chance he could become a #4 (hell he doesn't even need to be that to be better than what we have), no one is asking/expecting him to be a Norris finalist. If for no other reason than to put Holden back with McDonagh and while giving Staal a partner who can pass decently, which is what he's needed for 3+ seasons.

A defensively deficient puck-mover is STILL better than the options we currently have.
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The unfortunate reality is that he has to play like a Norris winner in order to even contend for a spot more than once a month. His presence is merely a temporary "threat" if the vets don't play up to snuff (plot twist: it's not actually a threat at all). I honestly don't see the point in carrying extra defensemen when AV just flat out refuses to use them like he says he will (ie. to rest vets), and will use injured vets over healthy, less experienced players.
 
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aufheben said:
A defensively deficient puck-mover is STILL better than the options we currently have. Anton Stralman went from a defenseman even garbage teams didn't want to a top-20 defenseman in the NHL. Clendening does not have to be anything close to that.
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I will agree that he has been better than Klein and Girardi, but to say he is better than Holden so far this season is ridiculous.
 
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