Speculation: Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XXIX

[BrooklynCapsFan]

It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that a credible team architect could do better with our assets.

Looking at our team development over the past five years, I don't think you have to pretend that McPhee might not be the worst man for the job.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Looking at our team development over the past five years, I don't think you have to pretend that McPhee might not be the worst man for the job.

The worst, no way. He's decent, albeit risk averse. New set of eyes needed. Sometimes you're too close and can't be as objective as you'd like a GM to be. He's got to make tough decisions trading away players and causing upheaval in their personal lives. Would probably be easier for a guy with no emotional ties to come in and finalize the roster McPhee started. And I'm specifically talking about doing better with trading our assets, not development which has its own set of doubts and questions with McPhee.

 

[BobRouse]

Come on Tinner...How can I possibly guess if trading Backstrom would make us contenders without knowing the return. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that a credible team architect could do better with our assets.

Look at the impact trading a Bobby Carpenter had 1 season removed from a 50g campaign. Two lesser players who turned out to be valuable long term team members and made the team better overall.

Carpenter was feuding with the coach and was a malcontent who wanted out. Also last I checked there is no Mike Milbury or Phil Esposito type GM in the league right now. Espo was notorious for bringing in washed up big names and getting fleeced. He traded a 1st round pick for a middling coach once!

I'll raise you a Carpenter with a Joe Thornton.
This was more comparable as their team didn't do great with him so they made him the fall guy.

That got Oconnel fired

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Carpenter was feuding with the coach and was a malcontent who wanted out.

I'll raise you a Carpenter with a Joe Thornton.
This was more comparable as their team didn't do great with him so they made him the fall guy.

That got Oconnel fired

I understand the situation back then, which shows you that even players like that have a ton if value with the right guy making the deal.

Backstrom's trade returns would be massive. 1C or 1/2 D IMO. The only foolishness in all of this is closing your eyes an refusing to evaluate ALL options.

That said I'm not advocating trading my 2nd favorite Cap, I'm saying the guy in charge has to logically consider everything.

 

[txpd]

Playing the dumb suggestion card by you comes off poorly not comical. At least try some real moves to improve the team instead of just randomly crapping on different suggestions.

the point is that some here treat player asset management like its a stock portfolio. sell high. buy low. sell an asset before it starts to decline in value. should have traded semin after his 40 goal season.

btw...most "real moves" suggested have no place in the real world.

I think the caps need a stay at home 2nd pair d to play behind alzner. someone that brings the physical play that alzner doesn't and the quality of defense that Erskine can get to. Saying that, I haven't a clue what defenseman/men in that category would be remotely available.

unless you can identify the player you cant address what they would need in return.

so....crapping on a proposal because there is clearly a good case against it doesn't require putting up your own ideas for others to crap on. unless you want to make that a rule.

 

[BobRouse]

I understand the situation back then, which shows you that even players like that have a ton if value with the right guy making the deal.

Backstrom's trade returns would be massive. 1C or 1/2 D IMO. The only foolishness in all of this is closing your eyes an refusing to evaluate ALL options.

That said I'm not advocating trading my 2nd favorite Cap, I'm saying the guy in charge has to logically consider everything.

Ofcourse you consider everything. That I agree with. But swapping Backstrom for a top Dman does nothing.

It would have to be massive overpayment.

The only reason this is even being brought up is bc he is slumping.

Carlson and Ovechkin went thru the same last year

 

[txpd]

I understand the situation back then, which shows you that even players like that have a ton if value with the right guy making the deal.

Backstrom's trade returns would be massive. 1C or 1/2 D IMO. The only foolishness in all of this is closing your eyes an refusing to evaluate ALL options.

That said I'm not advocating trading my 2nd favorite Cap, I'm saying the guy in charge has to logically consider everything.

why evaluate options that have almost no chance of being persued in reality. I would have some issues with my long dirt driveway if I bought a Ferrari because they have very little ground clearance. But I wont be buying a Ferrari and so discussing that isn't really worth doing.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

the point is that some here treat player asset management like its a stock portfolio. sell high. buy low. sell an asset before it starts to decline in value. should have traded semin after his 40 goal season.

btw...most "real moves" suggested have no place in the real world.

I think the caps need a stay at home 2nd pair d to play behind alzner. someone that brings the physical play that alzner doesn't and the quality of defense that Erskine can get to. Saying that, I haven't a clue what defenseman/men in that category would be remotely available.

unless you can identify the player you cant address what they would need in return.

so....crapping on a proposal because there is clearly a good case against it doesn't require putting up your own ideas for others to crap on. unless you want to make that a rule.

I don't believe in the sell high crap that you see from too many armchair GM's here. It's nonsense.

Semin should have CLEARLY been traded when McPhee/Leonsis made the decision that he wasn't going to be someone they were willing to commit longterm to financially like the other high priced core players. It was damn near criminal to let him walk. You'll never convince anyone with the longterm health of the team in mind otherwise.

Semin should have yielded at least a 3/4 D that's an upgrade in DC today. With that single upgrade today, this team might be comfortably in a playoff spot right now and might have had better postseason success in the past.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

the point is that some here treat player asset management like its a stock portfolio. sell high. buy low. sell an asset before it starts to decline in value. should have traded semin after his 40 goal season.

btw...most "real moves" suggested have no place in the real world.

I think the caps need a stay at home 2nd pair d to play behind alzner. someone that brings the physical play that alzner doesn't and the quality of defense that Erskine can get to. Saying that, I haven't a clue what defenseman/men in that category would be remotely available.

unless you can identify the player you cant address what they would need in return.

so....crapping on a proposal because there is clearly a good case against it doesn't require putting up your own ideas for others to crap on. unless you want to make that a rule.

Boston, Pittsburgh, LA and St. Louis built their teams with blockbuster trades.

In real life, the exception is the Caps. No trades, no free agents. Draftees and rentals only. If you have dead weight, keep him and overpay him.

 

[txpd]

Boston, Pittsburgh, LA and St. Louis built their teams with blockbuster trades.

In real life, the exception is the Caps. No trades, no free agents. Draftees and rentals only. If you have dead weight, keep him and overpay him.

who's defending the status quo?

 

[Carlzner]

Boston, Pittsburgh, LA and St. Louis built their teams with blockbuster trades.

In real life, the exception is the Caps. No trades, no free agents. Draftees and rentals only. If you have dead weight, keep him and overpay him.

Boston, Pittsburgh, and LA also have great center depth. St. Louis doesn't and they don't have a cup. If we traded Backstrom our center depth would be worse than St. Louis.

 

[txpd]

I don't believe in the sell high crap that you see from too many armchair GM's here. It's nonsense.

Semin should have CLEARLY been traded when McPhee/Leonsis made the decision that he wasn't going to be someone they were willing to commit longterm to financially like the other high priced core players. It was damn near criminal to let him walk. You'll never convince anyone with the longterm health of the team in mind otherwise.

Semin should have yielded at least a 3/4 D that's an upgrade in DC today. With that single upgrade today, this team might be comfortably in a playoff spot right now and might have had better postseason success in the past.

I don't believe that. When he became a free agent there was not a single NHL team willing to put a long term deal on the table for him without a paycut attached. not one.
So, trading him would have brought back maybe what ribeiro brought back.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

who's defending the status quo?

Correct me if im wrong but it sure looks like you're arguing that blockbuster trades dont happen.

 

[Liberati0n*]

Zoidberg, I think that offer is a slight overpayment. I think I would try to get both Plekanec and Eller back, leaving the Caps with maybe not a "true" 1C but a very solid and deep group. With the group of wings they'll have in a couple of years once Kuznetsov is more established and Burakovsky is around, I think that would be more than fine. Maybe something like:

Backstrom + Green + 1st + Schmidt/Carrick/both for Subban + Plekanec + Eller

 

[Brian23]

Zoidberg, I think that offer is a slight overpayment. I think I would try to get both Plekanec and Eller back, leaving the Caps with maybe not a "true" 1C but a very solid and deep group. With the group of wings they'll have in a couple of years once Kuznetsov is more established and Burakovsky is around, I think that would be more than fine. Maybe something like:

Backstrom + Green + 1st + Schmidt/Carrick/both for Subban + Plekanec + Eller

You've just made the team worse in my opinion...

 

[Liberati0n*]

You've just made the team worse in my opinion...

I made the PP worse. The team would be a lot better.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

I don't believe that. When he became a free agent there was not a single NHL team willing to put a long term deal on the table for him without a paycut attached. not one.
So, trading him would have brought back maybe what ribeiro brought back.

He was coming off back to back 50 point seasons. We decided he wasn't a long term part of the team in the middle of a 34 goal season. If you dont want him, why keep him?

 

[trick9]

Boston, Pittsburgh, and LA also have great center depth. St. Louis doesn't and they don't have a cup. If we traded Backstrom our center depth would be worse than St. Louis.

St.Louis has great C depth... they just lack the elite guys in the 1st line.

Backes, Roy, Berglund and Lapierre play that position but earlier in their careers Steen, Oshie and Sobotka were centers too. Then add on to that the fact that Schwartz is C aswell but he's being played on the wing because of that depth.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I don't believe that. When he became a free agent there was not a single NHL team willing to put a long term deal on the table for him without a paycut attached. not one.
So, trading him would have brought back maybe what ribeiro brought back.

Stop talking like you have inside knowledge of the contract offers that Semin had. And no, I'm suggesting having an ounce of foresight and trading him long before the last second when it was too late to get much, not waiting until your hands are tied like a moron GM.

 

[Brian23]

I made the PP worse. The team would be a lot better.

I completely disagree. We're still weak on defense, even if you've upgraded the RD slot. And Plekanec + Eller aren't gonna replace what Backstrom gives you.

 

[Liberati0n*]

I completely disagree. We're still weak on defense, even if you've upgraded the RD slot. And Plekanec + Eller aren't gonna replace what Backstrom gives you.

At ES, they are. On the PP, Kuznetsov probably can. At this point in time, Subban is a significant upgrade over Green.

 

[Brian23]

At ES, they are. On the PP, Kuznetsov probably can. At this point in time, Subban is a significant upgrade over Green.

I don't see it and you've still got Subban playing by himself which, while he might be able to carry the line much better then Green, is still gonna leave him on an island. Or you leave Carlson on an island alone. We need 2 top 4D with Green going out, not just upgrading his position alone.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

I completely disagree. We're still weak on defense, even if you've upgraded the RD slot. And Plekanec + Eller aren't gonna replace what Backstrom gives you.

Plekanec is tied w Backstrom in ES production and brings much better D + jam.

 

[EroCaps]

Boston, Pittsburgh, LA and St. Louis built their teams with blockbuster trades.

In real life, the exception is the Caps. No trades, no free agents. Draftees and rentals only. If you have dead weight, keep him and overpay him.

Yeah, they luck boxed their way into Ovechkin and Backstrom and let it mold their management style. It's so chicken**** and conservative. "As long as we don't do anything stupid we should be decent for years--maybe we get lucky and win a Cup".

The complaceny and smugness of this approach bothers me more than Dan Snyders' ego-supplement treatment of the Redskins.

 

[Brian23]

Plekanec is tied w Backstrom in ES production and brings much better D + jam.

Which has nothing to do with he and Mojo shooting well below their career averages. If they weren't, he'd obviously have much better ES Production this year and Nicky isn't a terrible defensive forward. I still lay a lot of blame on this system for that.