Post-Game Talk: A game to do Benny Hill proud. Jets lose 3-1

[ihadtochangethename]

i miss burmi...

 

[surixon]

Am I happy with how Noel has this team playing offensively, no. I thonk its a poor ayst for this group and its not suprising that the crash and bang group are the only ones who really look effective in it. But all of this Mark is going to be ruined talk is just way to premature. Has he set the world on fire, no but he has looked good defensively and that will pay dividends down the road.

It might not happen this year but he's a smart kid and will figure the offense out!

If he he was looking lost defensively as well then I'd be more worried but its only his play in one end that is under par so far and I think a recent amount of that is the system.

 

[surixon]

The Scheifele Conundrum is intriguing.

The team needs more creativity on offense. he's one of the most talented guys on the ice. yet it seems like there's a tight leash on him. otherwise, wouldn't he be your 4th or 5th go-to guy on a shoot-out?

Is Scheifele such a net negative and defensive liability that he isn't being awarded more ice time. Was last night's giveaway a big splash for what's been a greater problem that's gone undetected by us but noticed by the coaching staff?

That's then worst giveaway he's made all year. His puckanagemet on his own end has actually been quite good. There have been far worse giveaways by other members of this team this year.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

I'm basically painting a caricature of what these forums have become; a festering pit of negativity, where people spit out the same complaints over and over, ad nauseum, picking their goats and sticking with them. Used to love this forum, now it's almost unreadable due to a band of usual suspects.

You are right. The Jets are clearly on pace for a 77-5-0 record, first place overall and riding a steamroller through the playoffs. Geez some people can't see the trees for the forest.

 

[Lorenzo1000]

As heard by the fly on the wall, Sept 15, 2013...

"OK Mark, as your coach, I have a few things I need to tell you. First off, you see this line here? It's called the red line and it's a very important part of the ice for us. You need to carry the puck to this line and as soon as you cross it, dump the puck into the opposing end. Even if nobody is near you, dump it in. But DON'T chase it because they'll be bringing it back out right away, so I need you to be in position defensively. I've told the other guys the same thing.
Also, NEVER look for the trailer. We don't pass backwards, even if our guys are open.
Those eyes in the back of your head, DON'T USE THEM!!! They're for wimps like Gretzky. You don't want to be a wimp do you? Our job is to move the puck forward, not necessarily to the opposing net, but at least into the corner where their defensemen can retrieve it.
It's very simple actually. Got it?
Stick with it, and if you're lucky, maybe one day you'll have a career like my boy James over there."

Love this! As Perry Pearn was giving him the once over after giving the puck away I was thinking great let's kill the kids confidence by giving him crap on the bench after making a bad play that he was probably already mad at himself over.

Btw I really find it to be no coincidence that our defense (especially Bogo and Clitsome) have not been good this year now that Pearn is helping out with the defense. He is a confidence killer and to me it looks like they are on edge and afraid to make a mistake. I really wish they would fire him. There was a reason the Habs dumped him and look how much better off they are now. Would somebody please start a fire Perry Pearn thread.

 

[theamazingchris]

Come down off the ledge, guys, geez. I admit there's lots to not like, Pavs for starters had probably his worst game of the season, and Noel's only strategy seems to be playing names-in-a-hat with our forward lines, but we out-shot them, and had quite a few decent scoring chances; they're just difficult to notice because Nashville doesn't have a goalie that makes routine saves look acrobatic. Still, our big guns aren't firing, and that's worrisome. At least our D is looking good. Pardy was better than Stuart was, (for whatever that's worth) which made Postma look good for a change. Buff and Enstrom were, outside of Kane, our best players again. I'm not freaking out over this one, long story short.

 

[folix]

Love this! As Perry Pearn was giving him the once over after giving the puck away I was thinking great let's kill the kids confidence by giving him crap on the bench after making a bad play that he was probably already mad at himself over.

Btw I really find it to be no coincidence that our defense (especially Bogo and Clitsome) have not been good this year now that Pearn is helping out with the defense. He is a confidence killer and to me it looks like they are on edge and afraid to make a mistake. I really wish they would fire him. There was a reason the Habs dumped him and look how much better off they are now. Would somebody please start a fire Perry Pearn thread.

I agree here. Wait till practice, off ice, film room etc. The kid knows he F'd up. I didnt see the coaching staff lay into anyone else for the multitude of blunders last night. Pavelic and Clitsome had equally bad give aways that resulted in goals against. Didnt see them get ****.


I think the Jets are a victim of having players that really really dont fit the system they are in. Noel wants to win games 1-0. The team is built, especially from the defense out to win games 5-3. We are built to out skate teams, not out trap teams. You cant make players into something they are not.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Kane made a fantastic point. Not enough Jets WANT the puck right now. Guys just look like its a grenade when they have it.

I've said it before.... this team is completely different from the first two games of the season. Guys were confident and skating and scoring. Then all we heard from Noel was defense/reliable/200 foot game/etc.

While these are all good things, somehow it was implemented in a way that made some of our natural scorers scared of making a mistake. I don't know what it is, but there is very little confidence out there that WAS there 6 games ago.

We absolutely have to be responsible for goals against, but our goal scorers need to be encouraged to use their natural abilities.

Is there anyone who doesn't remember the board here in those first two games? Secondary scoring? Chemistry? This team turned around completely after those games.

 

[Jeti]

That fourth line with Wright/Peluso/Cormier was pretty good.... Pardy had a good game as well. Still think the Jets lack a playmaker. Scheif isn't there yet and wheeler is out to lunch.

Agreed. I really enjoyed that fourth line. I'd still take Slater over Cormier, but Cormier was good in the dot at least. Peluso is really earning his spot.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I can't figure out what's going on with Schief. I caught a few games in Barrie over the last two years and he never looked like this, so slow and indecisive.

I found out the other day Flaherty was the MVP for Noel during their championship year in Milwakee. If we want a better coach for Pavs then we need to get rid of Noel too.

I'll open a can of worms...... You mean that Schiefele's develpment looks like Burmi's after starting with Noel?

There we go HFBoards!

 

[Just Ducky]

I think your onto something folix- I keep thinking this team is trying to be morphed-aka coached into a Western conference style of hockey. You know heavy on defense, checking blah blah blah. Good idea if you have the players for this- see our opponent last for a perfect example. Right now we seem to be getting the most from our team when they let the horses run free a bit. Too bad we are usually down at that point. It's a long season so who knows if this is the best approach - will this philosophy pay dividends in the long term? Maybe but at the expense of short term success- definitely.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Bit of positivity to add: I'm liking what Peluso can bring to the game. We know he can throw down, but he also isn't afraid of the puck. He hangs on to the puck and wins board battles, and is able to keep it on his stick in a big Buff-esque type way. Definitely plays that elusive "heavy" game we should be looking for.

A few times now when I've had a bad stream, I've mistaken Peluso for Buff. Same style of getting his body between his opponent and the puck or using one hand on the stick and one to hold back an opponent. Skating stride is similar as well. Of course he is nowhere as good as Buff, but certainly good enough at that style to warrant playing more to develop it.

That's when I can't see jersey numbers good enough, so there is no bias there from me.

 

[surixon]

I think your onto something folix- I keep thinking this team is trying to be morphed-aka coached into a Western conference style of hockey. You know heavy on defense, checking blah blah blah. Good idea if you have the players for this- see our opponent last for a perfect example. Right now we seem to be getting the most from our team when they let the horses run free a bit. Too bad we are usually down at that point. It's a long season so who knows if this is the best approach - will this philosophy pay dividends in the long term? Maybe but at the expense of short term success- definitely.

Its the hallmark of a poor coach IMO. You should never devise a system and then try to force players into it. You should devise a system based around the strengths of the players on the team. I don't think that's been done here. All of our forwards have looked terrible offensively since game two.

 

[HannuJ]

Agreed. I really enjoyed that fourth line. I'd still take Slater over Cormier, but Cormier was good in the dot at least. Peluso is really earning his spot.

we don't score for 2.5 periods and let in 3 goals and the talk's focusing on our 4th line.
deck chairs on the Titanic....

 

[Howard Chuck]

I'm at a bit of a crossroads with him. I don't know if the Jets can afford to send him down to St. John's with the lack of C depth, and not sure if 3rd line minutes are really a good use of his skills. However, it's clear he hasn't been getting it done for the last 6-7 games.

I'm just hoping he can keep his chin up and play his way out of this slump. The skills are clearly there, he just needs to simplify his game. Vision and anticipation were his strong suits in the OHL, but he really seems to be behind the play right now.

I'm going through the posts all at once this morning, so I'm probably repeating myself as I reply to them, so I apologize....

Scheifele looked great in the pre-season and in the first two games. Then it seems as if someone sat him down and said stop playing the way that made us want to draft you. It seems to me that we've taken a player that we drafted for his creativity and offensive skill and told him to play another way.

I don't like our 'system' in general as it's attempting to force a lot of our fast, creative round pegs into a slow plodding square hole. Our defense should be able to play defense and our offense should be able to score goals. We can't have the entire team abandon scoring goals.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Ladd, Little, Wheeler, Seto, Scheifele (and to an extent, Kane) - all offensive players, and all seem to have had the life sucked out of their games.

Moving to the West? System? Coach? Too many Dunkin' Donuts?

Just lobbing that one over the plate.

Thank you

 

[Huffer]

You are right. The Jets are clearly on pace for a 77-5-0 record, first place overall and riding a steamroller through the playoffs. Geez some people can't see the trees for the forest.

No, you are right, it's clear the team is going to go 4 -78.

It's so great that we have posters to keep that negativity train going, and try to ruin anyone's day when that person wants to try to find something positive about the team that they like, follow, and pay to watch.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Simplify his game? Play like Thorburn? The way the team plays will not help a guy like Sheifele. I am kind of baffled by the current wisdom when developing offensive players. Handcuff them, bench them, don't let them play in a way that exemplifies the reason they were drafted early. Every player needs to learn to be a plug first. It's rather silly.

Holy crap! I thought I was thinking outside the box with my comments. I'm actually very happy to see that I'm not alone in this thinking.

 

[Romang67]

I'm so glad we managed to get rid of that guy. Dodged a bullet there. Now Noel can coach us to victory without people not buying into his system!

 

[bazaaa*]

They need to put LLW back together. This line has been together for years, and were great last year. Don't score a few games this year, and going to mess up what was working for years? Really?
Deal with the other lines themselves, don't drag LLW into it. It's proven to work, why mess it up.

 

[larmex99]

I think it is a safe bet that Chevy is 100% tuned into what is going on with his coach and assistants. The smart money says that if the results don't come by the half way point in the season he will take action. While it is tough to watch sometimes I am just going to try to enjoy the small victories, like Peluso's improvement and Kane's beastly performances. Sure wish that was a longer list.

 

[Gm0ney]

Come back, Burmi! Uh...maybe wash your hair first.

 

[Howard Chuck]

It's such a shame that the season is still young enough to turn this ship around, but that that we will probably ignore the glaring issues and continue to slog through this season until it's too late.

I would think that it's obvious by now that we need a coaching change, maybe change(s). I don't think that there is very much doubt about that now. I started the season ambivalent about Noel (although I was in the 'he had at least an equal part in the Burmi fiasco' camp), then I started thinking 'what is he doing'???? Now I'm firmly of the opinion that we need to get someone that can work with this group in here soon.

This is my opinion of what Noel is doing......

BTW, someone mentioned letting our horses run... We played that way in the first period last night and kept the puck out of the net and actually out shot our opponent for the first time this year.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

No, you are right, it's clear the team is going to go 4 -78.

It's so great that we have posters to keep that negativity train going, and try to ruin anyone's day when that person wants to try to find something positive about the team that they like, follow, and pay to watch.

Objectively this team will probably finish the season around .500. Personally I think there is a range in that - anywhere between 7 games below .500 to at best 3 games above .500, but that's just my opinion.

That they are pissing away the longest homestand of the season, before playing a lot of the generally acknowledged "really really good" teams is (or should be) concerning IMO.

If they continue to play just 25 minutes of a 60 minute game on a regular basis, the record will indeed be closer to your facetious 4-78 than my equally facetious 77-5. There aren't any teams that can win in this league on the strength of 1ish period of full effort/compete a night.

The "negativity train" fire is kept burning by the way the team plays and fails to compete, and the outcome of games resulting from that. Not the occasional poster on a message board, who needs to be shouted down into submission for daring to state he/she doesn't like the current state of the team. A poster who, by the way, is also paying to watch the team.

I get it though... it's a Febreeze commercial in here - all sunshine, roses, moonbeams and pink clover. Will curtail participation accordingly.

 

[tacogeoff]

Objectively this team will probably finish the season around .500. Personally I think there is a range in that - anywhere between 7 games below .500 to at best 3 games above .500, but that's just my opinion.

That they are pissing away the longest homestand of the season, before playing a lot of the generally acknowledged "really really good" teams is (or should be) concerning IMO.

If they continue to play just 25 minutes of a 60 minute game on a regular basis, the record will indeed be closer to your facetious 4-78 than my equally facetious 77-5. There aren't any teams that can win in this league on the strength of 1ish period of full effort/compete a night.

The "negativity train" fire is kept burning by the way the team plays and fails to compete, and the outcome of games resulting from that. Not the occasional poster on a message board, who needs to be shouted down into submission for daring to state he/she doesn't like the current state of the team. A poster who, by the way, is also paying to watch the team.

I get it though... it's a Febreeze commercial in here - all sunshine, roses, moonbeams and pink clover. Will curtail participation accordingly.

I agree with you as well in regards to win vs loss ratio. I expected around .500 or just above for this season but I do not believe we will end up below .500.

We have some really amazing pieces in Kane, Ladd, Wheeler, Bogo, Buff and Trouba but we just do not have competitve depth in the bottom six imo, this in comparision to the bottom six of our opponents in our new division.

these threads are very entertaining to read through. Here is hoping for the best this season as I think I will become a reader and not a poster for this season on our specific board lol