Post-Game Talk: A game to do Benny Hill proud. Jets lose 3-1

[Positive]

22 goals/9 games = 2.44 goals per game

Not when we're trying to be negative, we aren't. Remember, 22/9 = 1.44 goals. Also, 1.6 seasons = 3 years. Fire everybody! Why is Wright getting so much ice-time! Pavelec back-to-back! Why isn't O'Dell up! Shoulda drafted Couturier! Jokinen! Wright! Jokinen! Noel hates young guys! Burmi is lighting up the KHL!

 

[bazaaa*]

Does Noel have this team playing to WIN or playing not to LOSE? Tell me which it is and why it isn't working?

"Mark, we're having trouble scoring goals. So much so that I'm mixing the lines up like crazy to try and create scoring. Just remember though, I don't want you to worry about scoring, worry about playing defence first."

 

[sipowicz]

Actually 12 goals in the last 7 games (1.7 GPG) is more telling of the Jets play which is almost equal to what the Jets scored in the first two games (10).

I can live with the Jets losing in hard fought games, but when they take themselves out of games early and lay turds every second game it's pretty hard to be enthused about this team.

 

[Jets]

Rather than just say Pavelec sucks, I'm going to breakdown what I can by watching his play and why I loathe to see him in our net. I've played goal my entire life and in my years I'd like to think I have a bit better than average eye for this kind of thing. Pavelec seems to play a very loose style of goaltending. He relies entirely on reflexes and reactionary saves rather than technically sound goaltending. Think Domenik Hasek (who probably had a large impact on the young Czech growing up). His angles and position are sometimes very poor (like the 1st goal he gave up today, unscreened clear shot from the half wall) and he gets caught and is forced to make a lot of desperation saves. He is very boom or bust and this is the reason he is so inconsistent. He's either making a huge diving rebound save, or flubbing an easy one that most top echelon goalies would save 9/10 times.

My preference (and many of us here as well) would be to see a guy like Jon Quick. Quick and Price are probably my two favourite goalies and here is why: They both play fantastic positional games and are extremely technically sound goaltenders. They make all the first saves and are rarely caught out of position. This leads to consistent goaltending throughout the game. The issue with this style of goaltending is that it relies alot more on instinct rather than reaction so if a guy like Price has something off in his game (like 2 seasons ago when he and the Canadiens really struggled), his game falters and he is consistently out of sync.

Regardless, Pavelec's unconventional style has been hindering both himself and the team and especially this group which could use a much more technical and consistent goaltender even if the goalie is going to be consistently bad sometimes. The entire team is taking after Pavelec's lead and some games are over before the end of the first period. First and foremost we need to see consistent goaltending to turn this ship around.

 

[Positive]

Someone said the same things of Khabibulin at some point. He basically relies on athleticism, and he gets himself in trouble and then bails himself out with a spectacular save. It's not like he's actually intending to do so; he just doesn't know any better.

 

[blues10]

The Jets have lots of work ahead of them. This hockey team has many holes and predictions of 13th in the West look accurate at this time.

I did like Pardy's game.

As a side note this game was not a sell-out. I am really not enjoying TNSE calling games sold-out when clearly there are non season tickets that were not sold.

I guess it must be industry standard to call a game a sell-out when singles remain but to say there were 15004 sold is innacurate.

Yes, St holders eat tickets but those tickets are sold - seats available on TM 2 hours before the game that remain empty until the final buzzer are the non selllout.

Nice work Gary. TNSE is officially in "the club" I thought our franchise was better than this. Call a non-sellout what it is and maybe people who think every game is sold out will actually look for ticktets.

 

[garret9]

Someone said the same things of Khabibulin at some point. He basically relies on athleticism, and he gets himself in trouble and then bails himself out with a spectacular save. It's not like he's actually intending to do so; he just doesn't know any better.

So then I guess the best way to evaluate them would be how often it works:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...0&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=ShPctA&sortdir=ASC

 

[bazaaa*]

The Jets have lots of work ahead of them. This hockey team has many holes and predictions of 13th in the West look accurate at this time.

I did like Pardy's game.

As a side note this game was not a sell-out. I am really not enjoying TNSE calling games sold-out when clearly there are non season tickets that were not sold.

I guess it must be industry standard to call a game a sell-out when singles remain but to say there were 15004 sold is innacurate.

Yes, St holders eat tickets but those tickets are sold - seats available on TM 2 hours before the game that remain empty until the final buzzer are the non selllout.

Nice work Gary. TNSE is officially in "the club" I thought our franchise was better than this. Call a non-sellout what it is and maybe people who think every game is sold out will actually look for ticktets.

Add $50+ in fees when trying to buy tickets, and it was only a matter of time. Scary though, ten games in. What happens at the end of the season if we're out of the playoffs and 2-8 in our last ten games...

 

[chaos4]

Just wondering, how many players showed up for the "optional skate"?

 

[Vapour Trails]

There is nothing too hard to understand about the Jets troubles. You can analyze it until you are blue in the face, but most nights they are bringing a knife to a gunfight. That's it, that's all. The other teams have better players that want it more.

In fact, the Jets might be a Swiss Army knife. Lots of different semi-useful tools that rarely get the job done.

 

[bazaaa*]

There is nothing too hard to understand about the Jets troubles. You can analyze it until you are blue in the face, but most nights they are bringing a knife to a gunfight. That's it, that's all. The other teams have better players that want it more.

In fact, the Jets might be a Swiss Army knife. Lots of different semi-useful tools that rarely get the job done.

If I'm reading your post right, this is what you have in mind
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83559977/

 

[Bob E]

This team has played the same way for 3 years with very similar results. And those results are, around or slightly over .500, miss the playoffs.

At some point, TNSE has to say that's not good enough, and make a change. Change to coaching staff, change the core, whatever. Continually doing the same thing, with same results, isn't working and I'm sure they know that.

 

[bazaaa*]

This team has played the same way for 3 years with very similar results. And those results are, around or slightly over .500, miss the playoffs.

At some point, TNSE has to say that's not good enough, and make a change. Change to coaching staff, change the core, whatever. Continually doing the same thing, with same results, isn't working and I'm sure they know that.

I'm starting to like you.
However, I haven't given up on this bunch yet, I think there's enough talent.

Would you say Buff is an elite player that would bring in an elite return?

 

[BigZ65]

I think it is pretty clear that after this season there will be a huge evaluation of coaching and the core group. I don't expect much to happen during the season just because trading will suck with almost everyone right up to the cap, but with the cap going up in the off-season there is a good window to make some needed augmentations to the core group.

 

[meedle]

This team has played the same way for 3 years with very similar results. And those results are, around or slightly over .500, miss the playoffs.

At some point, TNSE has to say that's not good enough, and make a change. Change to coaching staff, change the core, whatever. Continually doing the same thing, with same results, isn't working and I'm sure they know that.

I'd say it's time to change more than just the coach. Obviously his systems aren't good enough, not to mention how he is/was handing some of the players.

I'll argue this core has been together longer than just the years in Winnipeg and has had the same results. It's time to make a trade or 2. I still think this team needs 5 years before it becomes the team everyone wants them to be. Still needs more years of drafting good prospects, and the ones we have are just now getting into it and will need more seasoning.

 

[Bob E]

I think it is pretty clear that after this season there will be a huge evaluation of coaching and the core group. I don't expect much to happen during the season just because trading will suck with almost everyone right up to the cap, but with the cap going up in the off-season there is a good window to make some needed augmentations to the core group.

You may be right, BigZ65. Making a deal this year will be very tough.

If Noël lasts the year, but the Jets miss the playoffs, I would think TNSE makes a change there.

 

[Snot Rocket]

i thought our fourth line looked pretty decent too actually.


don't know if i'll get any flak for this but I did not like pavelec that game. first goal was at a bad angle. 2nd, despite bogo's skate, that's all on pav.

Gonna have to agree with the Pav assessment, I was thinking the same myself. That second goal, dunno what he was thinking.
Probably the best thing for them is to get out of town and win a couple on the road.
Seems like they are getting the same bad mojo at home as they had going on last season.
I noticed Peluso in a positive way on his line.

 

[Gm0ney]

A little tiresome reading how Noel is wrecking Scheifs game, a) Schief doesn't have the quickness to be effective in the NHL b) Schief is not strong enough physically to win puck battles and stay on the puck in the NHL c) no this is not junior where Scheif excelled, he's now playing a couple levels up against men d) should he be playing 2C NO

Not enough talent on the Jets to send him to St. Johns yet Scheif's not quite ready to play in the NHL.


Jet'd core has been pretty average if that this season, all the guys locked up to long term contracts except Kane, Enstrom and to an extent Buff and Little have failed to meet expectations. Most of the Jets core is entering the prime of their careers and sadly it is becoming evident that they are far from elite and maybe JUST average.

Care to debate?

Well, I guess the Scheifele who was reportedly turning heads with his offensive play at Gary Robert's this summer has mysteriously lost his touch. Must be because he can't match NHL speed demons like Jokinen. If only he were on a line with Peluso and Wright again... Anyway, whether he's scared of making mistakes because of coaching or he's in over his head in the NHL and we can't afford to send him down, he's in the midst of being ruined before our eyes.

 

[garret9]

 

[tacogeoff]

now there is a happy guy. back in russia and having a blast. bye bye burmi, keep playing decent hockey over there and hopefully your rights will be part of a great trade to improve our team.

 

[KingBogo]

Well, I guess the Scheifele who was reportedly turning heads with his offensive play at Gary Robert's this summer has mysteriously lost his touch. Must be because he can't match NHL speed demons like Jokinen. If only he were on a line with Peluso and Wright again... Anyway, whether he's scared of making mistakes because of coaching or he's in over his head in the NHL and we can't afford to send him down, he's in the midst of being ruined before our eyes.

This is probably my biggest concern so far this season. Instead of trying to develop and hone Scheifele's high end offensive skills & instincts which this team sorely lacks, Noel has him trying to be the best 4th line plugger he can be.

At some point you'd really like the coach to tell the kid to go out there and have some fun, rather than he needs to hold is stick tighter.

 

[Kinjero]

This team has played the same way for 3 years with very similar results. And those results are, around or slightly over .500, miss the playoffs.

At some point, TNSE has to say that's not good enough, and make a change. Change to coaching staff, change the core, whatever. Continually doing the same thing, with same results, isn't working and I'm sure they know that.

Yeah, I would love to be a fly on he wall. You'd have to think Noel is first on the chopping block though right?

I know, this is was sarcasm. We dont beat the caps. Well, actually, we just may seeing as we win games we shouldnt, and dont win games we should.

I'm sure you knew mine was sarcasm too.. We probably don't gat dis..

 

[Mud Turtle]

Well, I guess the Scheifele who was reportedly turning heads with his offensive play at Gary Robert's this summer has mysteriously lost his touch. Must be because he can't match NHL speed demons like Jokinen. If only he were on a line with Peluso and Wright again... Anyway, whether he's scared of making mistakes because of coaching or he's in over his head in the NHL and we can't afford to send him down, he's in the midst of being ruined before our eyes.

As heard by the fly on the wall, Sept 15, 2013...

"OK Mark, as your coach, I have a few things I need to tell you. First off, you see this line here? It's called the red line and it's a very important part of the ice for us. You need to carry the puck to this line and as soon as you cross it, dump the puck into the opposing end. Even if nobody is near you, dump it in. But DON'T chase it because they'll be bringing it back out right away, so I need you to be in position defensively. I've told the other guys the same thing.
Also, NEVER look for the trailer. We don't pass backwards, even if our guys are open.
Those eyes in the back of your head, DON'T USE THEM!!! They're for wimps like Gretzky. You don't want to be a wimp do you? Our job is to move the puck forward, not necessarily to the opposing net, but at least into the corner where their defensemen can retrieve it.
It's very simple actually. Got it?
Stick with it, and if you're lucky, maybe one day you'll have a career like my boy James over there."

 

[HannuJ]

The Scheifele Conundrum is intriguing.

The team needs more creativity on offense. he's one of the most talented guys on the ice. yet it seems like there's a tight leash on him. otherwise, wouldn't he be your 4th or 5th go-to guy on a shoot-out?

Is Scheifele such a net negative and defensive liability that he isn't being awarded more ice time. Was last night's giveaway a big splash for what's been a greater problem that's gone undetected by us but noticed by the coaching staff?

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

lol 4