Post-Game Talk: A game to do Benny Hill proud. Jets lose 3-1

[meedle]

Well that sucked.

Reckless Buff tonight, not my favorite. Lucky he was only -2. If the US Olympic team is seriously considering Buff, as Lawless states, that's good news for Team Canada, IMO. Bogo wasn't as effective tonight. Enstrom and Clitsome, meh. Postma, still a train wreck in his own zone. Pardy looked fine as a bottom pairing dman.

This team can not trade Buff and Olli fast enough, IMO.

There is not 1 center on the roster, at the moment, that is a quality #1 NHL center. At this rate, no playoffs this year. And a big move is needed. No one is playing like they are accountable to anyone.

The big move is to keep the team as is and tank next year so we can draft McDavid

Then we will have a #1C for the next 15 years.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

Pardy played well, impressed with his poise.

If he continues to play that decently, I like him over Stuart.

 

[wpgsilver]

If he continues to play that decently, I like him over Stuart.

I think we need to see more of Pardy on the PK before we get to that.
I am clearly not a Stuart fan, but he has value as a Pk'er, if Pardy can fill that role I certainly agree.

I was VERY impressed with Pardy.

 

[sipowicz]

Wow...is Scheifele's confidence destroyed yet? As soon as it's completely gone, Noel can mold him into the kind of player he wants him to be: James Wright.

A little tiresome reading how Noel is wrecking Scheifs game, a) Schief doesn't have the quickness to be effective in the NHL b) Schief is not strong enough physically to win puck battles and stay on the puck in the NHL c) no this is not junior where Scheif excelled, he's now playing a couple levels up against men d) should he be playing 2C NO

Not enough talent on the Jets to send him to St. Johns yet Scheif's not quite ready to play in the NHL.


Jet'd core has been pretty average if that this season, all the guys locked up to long term contracts except Kane, Enstrom and to an extent Buff and Little have failed to meet expectations. Most of the Jets core is entering the prime of their careers and sadly it is becoming evident that they are far from elite and maybe JUST average.

Care to debate?

 

[Bob E]

The big move is to keep the team as is and tank next year so we can draft McDavid

Then we will have a #1C for the next 15 years.

Something to look forward too.

 

[ihadtochangethename]

1290 saying that Wheeler is under too much pressure. I guess the only player in this city that doesnt get coddled is Kaner. If he were having the start Wheels is there would be a petition to trade him and/or run him out of town.

 

[Whileee]

Wow...is Scheifele's confidence destroyed yet? As soon as it's completely gone, Noel can mold him into the kind of player he wants him to be: James Wright.

Wright works hard, and that's good. But he had a signature moment tonight. After some excellent board work by Peluso who cycled the puck behind the net for Wright, Wright picked up the puck beside the net and had a ton of time. Peluso was open in the slot for a great scoring chance (and was banging his stick for the puck). Instead of making the easy pass to Peluso in the slot, Wright fired the puck across the front of the net and to the opposite side boards, initiating a break out by the Predators. It was "classic" Wright. That's why he frustrates me. He skates well and works hard and obviously follows most of Noel's rules, but he has no sense about what to do with the puck on his stick.

 

[pucka lucka]

Wright works hard, and that's good. But he had a signature moment tonight. After some excellent board work by Peluso who cycled the puck behind the net for Wright, Wright picked up the puck beside the net and had a ton of time. Peluso was open in the slot for a great scoring chance (and was banging his stick for the puck). Instead of making the easy pass to Peluso in the slot, Wright fired the puck across the front of the net and to the opposite side boards, initiating a break out by the Predators. It was "classic" Wright. That's why he frustrates me. He skates well and works hard and obviously follows most of Noel's rules, but he has no sense about what to do with the puck on his stick.

That was a beauty. It was almost a joke, I NO PASS TO YOU TONY TOUGHGUY!

 

[Guerzy]

I still feel the same way as I did a few days ago, and whether it's viewed as premature by some or jumping off the bridge by others, I stand by it and will until/if this group finally proves me wrong, and I would gladly admit I was wrong, but until then; This team needs a coaching change. A new direction. A new voice.

Be it right or wrong, I still believe this roster (player personnel wise) is good enough to be getting better results. That's where I personally stand.

To me, something has to give. I do however understand that TNSE is very, very patient and perhaps Noel will get the entire 82 game season, who knows at this point. This group, this team, to me, just seems so damn out of sync, and in retrospect it's felt that way right from October 2011. We've seen players come and go, but things have just stayed the same.

I am an optimist and tend to view things in a positive light, and like I said, I will gladly admit being wrong if this team pulls together and turns things around, but after such a long period of time in my view, I am feeling more confident than ever that a change is needed in the direction of the team. I have long been in support of Claude Noel and have long given him the time that I view necessary/needed for a coach to put his stamp on a team; but in my own opinion, this has just been too long of a road traveled with the same scenery.

 

[sipowicz]

Wright works hard, and that's good. But he had a signature moment tonight. After some excellent board work by Peluso who cycled the puck behind the net for Wright, Wright picked up the puck beside the net and had a ton of time. Peluso was open in the slot for a great scoring chance (and was banging his stick for the puck). Instead of making the easy pass to Peluso in the slot, Wright fired the puck across the front of the net and to the opposite side boards, initiating a break out by the Predators. It was "classic" Wright. That's why he frustrates me. He skates well and works hard and obviously follows most of Noel's rules, but he has no sense about what to do with the puck on his stick.

And that is why the Lightning put him on waivers. I would value the player judgement of Steve Yzerman over Chevy 99 out of 100 times.

 

[wpgsilver]

Wright works hard, and that's good. But he had a signature moment tonight. After some excellent board work by Peluso who cycled the puck behind the net for Wright, Wright picked up the puck beside the net and had a ton of time. Peluso was open in the slot for a great scoring chance (and was banging his stick for the puck). Instead of making the easy pass to Peluso in the slot, Wright fired the puck across the front of the net and to the opposite side boards, initiating a break out by the Predators. It was "classic" Wright. That's why he frustrates me. He skates well and works hard and obviously follows most of Noel's rules, but he has no sense about what to do with the puck on his stick.

EXCELLENT post.
Play was infuriating. Happened right in front of me, I was not pleased.

 

[bazaaa*]

Wright works hard, and that's good. But he had a signature moment tonight. After some excellent board work by Peluso who cycled the puck behind the net for Wright, Wright picked up the puck beside the net and had a ton of time. Peluso was open in the slot for a great scoring chance (and was banging his stick for the puck). Instead of making the easy pass to Peluso in the slot, Wright fired the puck across the front of the net and to the opposite side boards, initiating a break out by the Predators. It was "classic" Wright. That's why he frustrates me. He skates well and works hard and obviously follows most of Noel's rules, but he has no sense about what to do with the puck on his stick.

I remember that exactly play. Frustrating.

 

[Whileee]

A little tiresome reading how Noel is wrecking Scheifs game, a) Schief doesn't have the quickness to be effective in the NHL b) Schief is not strong enough physically to win puck battles and stay on the puck in the NHL c) no this is not junior where Scheif excelled, he's now playing a couple levels up against men d) should he be playing 2C NO

Not enough talent on the Jets to send him to St. Johns yet Scheif's not quite ready to play in the NHL.


Jet'd core has been pretty average if that this season, all the guys locked up to long term contracts except Kane, Enstrom and to an extent Buff and Little have failed to meet expectations. Most of the Jets core is entering the prime of their careers and sadly it is becoming evident that they are far from elite and maybe JUST average.

Care to debate?

I agree that Scheifele is looking ineffective. He doesn't look strong enough or quick enough to compete right now. To be honest, it looks like the Jets would have been better off this season with Burmi on the 2nd or 3rd line, and Scheifele building his game in St. John's (for at least the first part of the season). It's hard for me to admit that, because I really thought that Scheif would be ready.

I agree that they need a top C, allowing Little to become a top-level #2 C. It should be a priority in the coming year or so.

I think that Little, Buff, Enstrom, Ladd, Kane and Bogo are fine for their salary levels. Wheeler is a puzzle to me.

I think that they need an upgrade in net, and they might need a different voice behind the bench. I don't know if it is tactics or just a lack of connection, but I am quite sure that we will see a new coach before Chevy breaks up the core he has recently signed.

 

[Bob E]

I still feel the same way as I did a few days ago, and whether it's viewed as premature by some or jumping off the bridge by others, I stand by it and will until/if this group finally proves me wrong, and I would gladly admit I was wrong, but until then; This team needs a coaching change. A new direction. A new voice.

Be it right or wrong, I still believe this roster (player personnel wise) is good enough to be getting better results. That's where I personally stand.

To me, something has to give. I do however understand that TNSE is very, very patient and perhaps Noel will get the entire 82 game season, who knows at this point. This group, this team, to me, just seems so damn out of sync, and in retrospect it's felt that way right from October 2011. We've seen players come and go, but things have just stayed the same.

I am an optimist and tend to view things in a positive light, and like I said, I will gladly admit being wrong if this team pulls together and turns things around, but after such a long period of time in my view, I am feeling more confident than ever that a change is needed in the direction of the team. I have long been in support of Claude Noel and have long given him the time that I view necessary/needed for a coach to put his stamp on a team; but in my own opinion, this has just been too long of a road traveled with the same scenery.

I agree 100%, Guerzy.

But I think this team is at least one top 6 forward and one top 4 dman away from being a playoff team. I think a coaching change is definitely needed to get this team to be more than a 20+ place team. But will take a move or two to get into the top 15 range.

 

[White Out 403*]

Wheelers regression is killing this team. Noelles lack of ability to push this team to play to its potential is killing this team. We're actually worse than last year so far as I can see. We may only be 1 game under .500 but that's only because Duby out sucked Pavelec in game 1, and we squeeked out a win we didn't deserve against LA.

It's gonna get a lot worse as the year goes on I'm afraid.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

When Wright shot that, I had my hands up in the air at home. Couldn't believe it.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Trouba is not an offensive center so I am not sure what that has to do with Scheifele.

My comparison began and ended with the idea of them both being young players asked to play "the right way" by Noel.

I don't doubt that Noel's north-south mantra for his forwards had played some role in Scheifele's struggles, whereas the relative freedom he seems to allow dmen to play with has aided Trouba.

At some point I think that Noel has to pick some lines and stick with them. Scheifele seems to be playing with different players almost every shift.

Noel seems to be like a deer caught in the headlights in the Western Conference. He seems so gun-shy about how all these teams play, and has no confidence in his own team and their skills. I think this attitude is transmitted to the players, who have basically given up any creativity. I think that Kane's post-game comments might be alluding to this lack of confidence by the Jets. They have some good players, and they can certainly more than match up with a team like Nashville in terms of speed and offensive skill, but they seem to want to play the same tentative style.

Of course the Jets need to play without a bunch of errors, but their goalie is payed to bail them out and they need to be creating more errors by opponents with more pressure and offensive creativity. They had a few 3-2 rushes tonight where they simply skated into the zone in a line of three, making it easy for the D to flatten out and cut off all chances. Instead, it would be nice to see them create some space by curling at the boards or having a player hang back as a trailer. But it's hard to expect them to do that when they have players on random lines, expecting them to just play some "system".

Pardon the long post... my main point is that I think that Noel needs to stop trying to match everyone else's style and stop mixing up his lines and expecting them to play as interchangeable parts in a rote system. It isn't fun to watch, and it has not been successful.

I will give Nashville some credit, they are very good at forcing teams to the boards below the hashmarks. I've noticed that you typically have to start the cycle or generate offense below the goal line against them, they're very good at neutralizing cutesy passing off the rush and from the half-boards.

The system that Noel preaches can be successful if you're playing fast and moving the puck up ice quickly. The problem is that there's so little creativity in their breakouts (9 times out of 10 it seems to be the basic "wingers get your ass on the boards, chip it out" stuff you teach Peewee hockey teams) that they never have the requisite speed through the neutral zone to put teams on their heels.

The bulk of the Jets offense seems to be created in transition, our possession game has been woeful for the most part.

 

[hockey-brent]

On a positive note, I was at the game tonight and forgot to PVR it, to check things out afterwards. Now I don't need to delete it.

 

[Whileee]

I still feel the same way as I did a few days ago, and whether it's viewed as premature by some or jumping off the bridge by others, I stand by it and will until/if this group finally proves me wrong, and I would gladly admit I was wrong, but until then; This team needs a coaching change. A new direction. A new voice.

Be it right or wrong, I still believe this roster (player personnel wise) is good enough to be getting better results. That's where I personally stand.

To me, something has to give. I do however understand that TNSE is very, very patient and perhaps Noel will get the entire 82 game season, who knows at this point. This group, this team, to me, just seems so damn out of sync, and in retrospect it's felt that way right from October 2011. We've seen players come and go, but things have just stayed the same.

I am an optimist and tend to view things in a positive light, and like I said, I will gladly admit being wrong if this team pulls together and turns things around, but after such a long period of time in my view, I am feeling more confident than ever that a change is needed in the direction of the team. I have long been in support of Claude Noel and have long given him the time that I view necessary/needed for a coach to put his stamp on a team; but in my own opinion, this has just been too long of a road traveled with the same scenery.

Here's the irony... TNSE is very patient, but Noel is like a squirrel on crack. He can't seem to keep lines or line-ups together. He has guys playing different sides (on D and up front), and plays merry-go-round with the forward lines and D pairings. If you want consistent play and to develop some chemistry, then you need to have the patience to let the lines gel. Noel doesn't coach that way.

 

[peg]

I still feel the same way as I did a few days ago, and whether it's viewed as premature by some or jumping off the bridge by others, I stand by it and will until/if this group finally proves me wrong, and I would gladly admit I was wrong, but until then; This team needs a coaching change. A new direction. A new voice.

Be it right or wrong, I still believe this roster (player personnel wise) is good enough to be getting better results. That's where I personally stand.

To me, something has to give. I do however understand that TNSE is very, very patient and perhaps Noel will get the entire 82 game season, who knows at this point. This group, this team, to me, just seems so damn out of sync, and in retrospect it's felt that way right from October 2011. We've seen players come and go, but things have just stayed the same.

I am an optimist and tend to view things in a positive light, and like I said, I will gladly admit being wrong if this team pulls together and turns things around, but after such a long period of time in my view, I am feeling more confident than ever that a change is needed in the direction of the team. I have long been in support of Claude Noel and have long given him the time that I view necessary/needed for a coach to put his stamp on a team; but in my own opinion, this has just been too long of a road traveled with the same scenery.

My feelings exactly. I will continue to be a huge supporter of the Jets, with or without Noel as coach. I just look at the talent on the team and see them playing uninspired hockey and underachieving. Regardless where you sit on the debate on whether their is enough talent here to be a serious playoff contender, it should be clear that Noel cannot get the most out of the troops.

 

[sipowicz]

Here's the irony... TNSE is very patient, but Noel is like a squirrel on crack. He can't seem to keep lines or line-ups together. He has guys playing different sides (on D and up front), and plays merry-go-round with the forward lines and D pairings. If you want consistent play and to develop some chemistry, then you need to have the patience to let the lines gel. Noel doesn't coach that way.

I to thought it was way too early to be juggling lines, Noel is coaching like a guy in panic mode almost as if he's on a one year contract.

Part of being a coach in the NHL is the ability to teach and to MOTIVATE, I've seen very little of the later.

Something ain't right with this team, they really seem to lack chemistry or a real strong leader, don't know why so many of you are so high on the core of this team, they haven't really done anything in the three years they've been here. Aside from Kane, Enstrom, Trouba and sometimes Buff, Little, Ladd and a year and a half ago Bogo what does this team really have?

PS Whilee I'm with you on Schief, I too thought he was further ahead, I really hate to admit it but a guy like Burmi who can skate and handle the puck is missing from this team.

 

[ihadtochangethename]

On a positive note, I was at the game tonight and forgot to PVR it, to check things out afterwards. Now I don't need to delete it.

lol i needed this laugh

 

[Whileee]

I thought it was way too early to be juggling lines, Noel is coaching like a guy in panic mode almost as if he's on a one year contract.

Part of being a coach in the NHL is the ability to teach and to MOTIVATE, I've seen very little of the later.

Something ain't right with this team, they really seem to lack chemistry or a real strong leader, don't know why so many of you are so high on the core of this team, they haven't really done anything in the three years they've been here. Aside from Kane, Enstrom, Trouba and sometimes Buff, Little, Ladd and a year and a half ago Bogo what does this team really have?

You forgot Wright... our premium checker.

Another good C and the forwards would be talented enough to at least compete on a nightly basis. I think that Noel has them all tangled up in terms of style and consistent lines. Their D core is strong, in my opinion. I think that their goalie is very hard to play in front of. He is not confident with rebounds, and probably the weakest in the league in handling the puck. I think that one of the D alluded to this earlier this year (Bogo, I believe). He said that as a D they needed to help out Pavs because he wasn't as comfortable handling the puck. I think it frustrates them that they have to do more work and are placed in awkward positions too often by Pavs poor puck management.

 

[pucka lucka]

It's obvious that Scheifele has been told defense first.

 

[sipowicz]

It's obvious that Scheifele has been told defense first.

Does Noel have this team playing to WIN or playing not to LOSE? Tell me which it is and why it isn't working?