Post-Game Talk: A game to do Benny Hill proud. Jets lose 3-1

[Huffer]

Objectively this team will probably finish the season around .500. Personally I think there is a range in that - anywhere between 7 games below .500 to at best 3 games above .500, but that's just my opinion.

That they are pissing away the longest homestand of the season, before playing a lot of the generally acknowledged "really really good" teams is (or should be) concerning IMO.

If they continue to play just 25 minutes of a 60 minute game on a regular basis, the record will indeed be closer to your facetious 4-78 than my equally facetious 77-5. There aren't any teams that can win in this league on the strength of 1ish period of full effort/compete a night.

The "negativity train" fire is kept burning by the way the team plays and fails to compete, and the outcome of games resulting from that. Not the occasional poster on a message board, who needs to be shouted down into submission for daring to state he/she doesn't like the current state of the team. A poster who, by the way, is also paying to watch the team.

I get it though... it's a Febreeze commercial in here - all sunshine, roses, moonbeams and pink clover. Will curtail participation accordingly.

Around .500 is pretty close to what a lot of people on here think as well. Just because people don't complain and point out every negative play doesn't mean that they don't see this team objectively.

Most people here thought that this team "might" compete for one of the last playoff spots. No one (that I can remember) thought the team would compete "in" the playoffs and be some sort of cup contender.

Agreed that playing 25 minutes a night and blowing this home stand is definitely not a good sign for this seasons outcome. I don't think anyone is arguing against that fact. Our lack of production up front is also worrisome, as is the "systems play", reaction of our players to the coach, the inconsistent play of the defense and goal-tending, the lack of intensity, etc, etc. Is the team only a collection of all the negative memes though?

As for getting "shouted down"? It's the constant negative posters who seem to feel the need to "shout down" any positive posters here lately IMO.

But I get it though... it's all a big tire fire on the Jets, all darkness, thorns, doom and gloom, and despair. We should all curtail our participation and expectations accordingly.

 

[Bartho]

Here's a couple of questions for the constantly negative posters:

Do you feel like a sucker for being a Jets fan?

Does your personal happiness depend on the results of Jets games?

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I get it though... it's a Febreeze commercial in here - all sunshine, roses, moonbeams and pink clover. Will curtail participation accordingly.

Well yeah, except for the fact that it's not even close to that.

I realize that you're probably typing with tongue planted firmly in cheek, but it doesn't exactly help the discourse around here when nuanced opinions and preferences get painted with a crude and wide brush stroke.

I apologize for singling this post out in particular, because most people (myself included) are guilty of it at times. I'd just like to see fewer posts that are some variation of "everyone on this board", "95% of the people around here", "this place", etc. It does a disservice to anyone here that actually takes time to post their own unique thoughts and insights. Which would describe nearly everyone on this board (how's that for a blanket characterization!)

 

[SensibleGuy]

I expected something slightly above .500, but not much. Just enough to squeak into the play-offs. What I didn't expect was the continuing presence of so many of the issues that have dogged the team the past couple of seasons. The poor starts and not showing up for games against "weaker" opponents. The defensive breakdowns and offensive ineffectiveness. I expected the general compete level of the team to be better and that the fact that we were in a tougher division would be our primary problem. It's the fact that so many of these issues still exist and don't seem to really have been repaired at all that has me thinking coaching is an issue...

 

[SensibleGuy]

Here's a couple of questions for the constantly negative posters:

Do you feel like a sucker for being a Jets fan?

Does your personal happiness depend on the results of Jets games?

I don't feel like a sucker at all. I'm still a fan and I'm not jumping off the band wagon at all.

But yes, my personal happiness does depend on the results of Jets games.

 

[tacogeoff]

Here's a couple of questions for the constantly negative posters:

Do you feel like a sucker for being a Jets fan?

Does your personal happiness depend on the results of Jets games?

Not a negative fan but I will answer your questions. (cant stay off these forums....so addicted lol)


Not at all, they have my full support but I dont have unblinded loyalty to their system and will see things from my own perspective.

My personal happiness does not depend on the result of jets games. Win or lose I am happy to have a team.

 

[veganhunter]

I'm so glad we managed to get rid of that guy. Dodged a bullet there. Now Noel can coach us to victory without people not buying into his system!

More truth has never been spoken.

I'm so confused by this team TBH.

Clearly some players are little overrated but overall this team has more talent than the results indicate.

I'm torn on whether the parts just don't work together or the person deploying the parts can't do it effectively (this has been proven to be at least partially true). I think it's a lot easier to figure out the latter though.

One thing that has come up again and again in my conversations with people is "dump and chase". The Jets seem to have really taken that heart, they dump and they chase but they seem to forgot with a high level of frequency that you're supposed to actually retrieve the puck. Is that players not buying into the system? The wrong parts? Or simply just a bad system?

 

[SensibleGuy]

I'm not all that certain that dump & chase is specifically a thing that they are intending to do system-wise. To me it often looks like its the go-to thing they do when they either don't have or don't see a better option. I think the preference would be to control the puck and carry it in. It just seems like every other team in the league has a pretty easy time standing up at their blue line and removing any other options. The constant circling back is tied into that as well. It seems like we take forever to get guys in spots where they can receive a pass, or our D men for some reason are slow to make a pass and miss their chances and have to circle back and try again or just dump it...

makes for very frustrating viewing.

 

[Guardian17]

Here's a couple of questions for the constantly negative posters:

Do you feel like a sucker for being a Jets fan?

Does your personal happiness depend on the results of Jets games?

Very good questions!

The Jets serve two purposes for me.

One, a sense of "family" with my fellow Jets fans.

Two, entertainment.

All worthwhile relationships have joy and pain.

Am I frustrated with the makeup of this team and their poor play? YES!

Does this consume my every waking moment? NO!

I am hoping that this current frustration will one day be rewarded with the joy of a Stanley Cup Celebration at Portage and Main.

 

[veganhunter]

I'm not all that certain that dump & chase is specifically a thing that they are intending to do system-wise. To me it often looks like its the go-to thing they do when they either don't have or don't see a better option. I think the preference would be to control the puck and carry it in. It just seems like every other team in the league has a pretty easy time standing up at their blue line and removing any other options. The constant circling back is tied into that as well. It seems like we take forever to get guys in spots where they can receive a pass, or our D men for some reason are slow to make a pass and miss their chances and have to circle back and try again or just dump it...

makes for very frustrating viewing.

That circles back to "Is it a bad system?" if the system you're playing constantly leaves you no other option than to dump the puck in and your not prepared to retrieve it after you dump it, I would argue the system doesn't work or the players don't work within the system.

I have an extremely hard time believing they aren't "buying in".

 

[viper0220]

The big move is to keep the team as is and tank next year so we can draft McDavid

Then we will have a #1C for the next 15 years.

This guy gets it

 

[SensibleGuy]

That circles back to "Is it a bad system?"

yes, yes it does. Hence my feeling that coaching may be an issue...

 

[veganhunter]

yes, yes it does. Hence my feeling that coaching may be an issue...

Got ya, sorry I was just kind of following my own train of thought there.

 

[tbcwpg]

Love this! As Perry Pearn was giving him the once over after giving the puck away I was thinking great let's kill the kids confidence by giving him crap on the bench after making a bad play that he was probably already mad at himself over.

Btw I really find it to be no coincidence that our defense (especially Bogo and Clitsome) have not been good this year now that Pearn is helping out with the defense. He is a confidence killer and to me it looks like they are on edge and afraid to make a mistake. I really wish they would fire him. There was a reason the Habs dumped him and look how much better off they are now. Would somebody please start a fire Perry Pearn thread.

I think Pearn was telling him the reason he made a mistake rather than yelling at him for it. If you think an assistant coach is the source of the problems here, than the team is much more fragile than we think, if true. Obviously Scheifele knows he made a mistake, he lost the puck in the neutral zone.

The coach is there to coach. You don't want coaches just sitting there while their players make mistakes either. Noel has been criticized for not doing anything, now his assistants are saying something and they're being criticized.

The whole team is responsible, coaching staff to players. Singling out individuals here is not the right attitude to have, but I understand that some players will have more leeway than others, depending on personal favourites.

This Burmi stuff is ridiculous. I like the player, I have him on my jersey, but if you don't agree with a coach, that's one thing. He skipped town rather than play under a coach. That says a lot about Burmistrov, the guy. These are the pros, you have to know how to play multiple roles, and Burmistrov was refusing. Scheifele is learning how to do it, and an assistant coach getting on him about a mistake isn't the end of the world.

 

[surixon]

I think Pearn was telling him the reason he made a mistake rather than yelling at him for it. If you think an assistant coach is the source of the problems here, than the team is much more fragile than we think, if true. Obviously Scheifele knows he made a mistake, he lost the puck in the neutral zone.

The coach is there to coach. You don't want coaches just sitting there while their players make mistakes either. Noel has been criticized for not doing anything, now his assistants are saying something and they're being criticized.

The whole team is responsible, coaching staff to players. Singling out individuals here is not the right attitude to have, but I understand that some players will have more leeway than others, depending on personal favourites.

This Burmi stuff is ridiculous. I like the player, I have him on my jersey, but if you don't agree with a coach, that's one thing. He skipped town rather than play under a coach. That says a lot about Burmistrov, the guy. These are the pros, you have to know how to play multiple roles, and Burmistrov was refusing. Scheifele is learning how to do it, and an assistant coach getting on him about a mistake isn't the end of the world.

I don't have much of an issue with regards to Noel's handling of Mark. While his offense hasn't come around yet his defensive play has improved substantially so far. However in this case I feel Pearn could have waited until the video session to get his point across.

Scheifele's offensive game to me is mostly dependent on how much rope Noel gives him. We have seen him look very dangerous in the Edmonton and Montreal games where unsuptisingly the team was allowed to open play up. I'm hoping that Noel will gradually loosen the rope as Scheifele's defense continues to improve. But we shall see.

In the case of Noel I don't think he has found the correct balance between offense and defense for this squad. We went from a very loose system to an overally tight one.

 

[peg]

I'm not all that certain that dump & chase is specifically a thing that they are intending to do system-wise. To me it often looks like its the go-to thing they do when they either don't have or don't see a better option. I think the preference would be to control the puck and carry it in. It just seems like every other team in the league has a pretty easy time standing up at their blue line and removing any other options. The constant circling back is tied into that as well. It seems like we take forever to get guys in spots where they can receive a pass, or our D men for some reason are slow to make a pass and miss their chances and have to circle back and try again or just dump it...

makes for very frustrating viewing.

What I find more annoying than dump and chase is dump and head to the bench for a line change. Ladd must have done that a half dozen times last night. Spend 45 seconds standing around watching the Predators control the puck in your zone, finally get control, come over centre 2 on 2, and then........dump the puck and go for a line change giving the Predators control of the puck once again. Rinse, cycle, repeat. PLEASE coach Noel instruct one player to chase the dump while the others do the line change so we at least have a fleeting chance of keeping control of the puck

 

[King Woodballs]

Winnipeg Jets ‏@NHLJets

Right now I can't find the right 12 to play together. Who's my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th line? I don't have enough players to sit everybody.-Noel

Ken Wiebe ‏@WiebeSunSports

Noel said they need all 20 guys going. Says it's his job to get best out of players or there will be consequences #NHLJets

#firenoel sarcasm: for those who don't get it)

 

[Howard Chuck]

I think Pearn was telling him the reason he made a mistake rather than yelling at him for it. If you think an assistant coach is the source of the problems here, than the team is much more fragile than we think, if true. Obviously Scheifele knows he made a mistake, he lost the puck in the neutral zone.

The coach is there to coach. You don't want coaches just sitting there while their players make mistakes either. Noel has been criticized for not doing anything, now his assistants are saying something and they're being criticized.

The whole team is responsible, coaching staff to players. Singling out individuals here is not the right attitude to have, but I understand that some players will have more leeway than others, depending on personal favourites.

This Burmi stuff is ridiculous. I like the player, I have him on my jersey, but if you don't agree with a coach, that's one thing. He skipped town rather than play under a coach. That says a lot about Burmistrov, the guy. These are the pros, you have to know how to play multiple roles, and Burmistrov was refusing. Scheifele is learning how to do it, and an assistant coach getting on him about a mistake isn't the end of the world.

Lets be fair here. We have no idea what the real story is about this situation, only couple of speculative reports and some badly translated stories. Burmi didn't defect to the KHL and he remains Jets property that isn't counting against our cap. It could very well be a mutual agreement where Burmi makes money and gets more experience, while we save money that would have cost us to sign him to a more expensive contract.

 

[Jet]

I'm at a bit of a crossroads with him. I don't know if the Jets can afford to send him down to St. John's with the lack of C depth, and not sure if 3rd line minutes are really a good use of his skills. However, it's clear he hasn't been getting it done for the last 6-7 games.

I'm just hoping he can keep his chin up and play his way out of this slump. The skills are clearly there, he just needs to simplify his game. Vision and anticipation were his strong suits in the OHL, but he really seems to be behind the play right now.

I just think that people expect every young player to come up and just immediately get right up to NHL speed. Some do for sure but the majority don't. Scheifele has still only played a handful of NHL games. I hope people can just be a bit patient with him and let him get up to speed without going all chicken little.

Look at Wheeler. He's an NHL vet and he still looks like he doesn't get it at times.

 

[Savagestevo]

They need to put LLW back together. This line has been together for years, and were great last year. Don't score a few games this year, and going to mess up what was working for years? Really?
Deal with the other lines themselves, don't drag LLW into it. It's proven to work, why mess it up.

I think Noel fears for his job security and that's why the line scrambling has been so crazy, he's desperately trying to find something that works and break the team out of the slump. I agree though, LLW needs to be together and Kane needs to be with Scheifele because we know for sure he doesn't work with Jokinen and that Olli just drags him down. It seems to effect Olli too, playing with Kane, seeing as he's off to a half decent start this year and for the most part he hasn't been playing with Kane.

 

[Jet]

The apologists will still be coming up with ways to justify this team even when we are wallowing in 13th in the west at the end of the season.

What are you even talking about? Who is making excuses for this team? I don't know many who are happy with the way things are going right now.

Since you seem to have the answers, what would YOU do to improve this club? I'm not interested in vagueness here either. I'd like to hear your expert changes -- and not pie in the sky stuff either, I'm talking changes that are actually plausible. We've heard your critiques of everything Jets ad nauseum. Let's see your solution.

 

[wpgsilver]

I just think that people expect every young player to come up and just immediately get right up to NHL speed. Some do for sure but the majority don't. Scheifele has still only played a handful of NHL games. I hope people can just be a bit patient with him and let him get up to speed without going all chicken little.

Look at Wheeler. He's an NHL vet and he still looks like he doesn't get it at times.

I can always count on Jet to be the voice of reason.

 

[Jet]

He took away the pass option, but a player can still score one on one with the goalie from 8 feet out. It was actually a pretty nice goal, he wasn't looking at the net at all the whole time, he was look at whoever was with him.

It's just funny, Jets win, and according to Fans here, Pav is playing great, and is playing better this year. Jets lose and all the sudden he's bottom of the barrel again.

It's called giving credit where credit is due. Also, when a team wins, the goalie almost always has something to do with it. When a team loses and all 3 goals are stoppable, then that is probably a goaltending issue. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain that. These games aren't played in a vacuum.

 

[surixon]

I can always count on Jet to be the voice of reason.

Yup I have no doubt that Mark's offense will come I'm time. I'm much more worried about Ladd and Wheeler who haven't been that great so far.

 

[Jet]

Hey, what happened to: WE'RE JUST LUCKY TO BE WATCHING THE NHL IN WINNIPEG ON A SUNDAY NIGHT, YOU INGRATES!

I had to lol