A Comprehensive Review of the Kyle Dubas Era

[Trapper]

Are there Dubas robots? They have joined the Dubites? Is the cult making a comeback?

Domo arigato Mr. Dubato.

 

[Superstar]

McMann not McCann lol

McCann would be a great winger t o have

McMann is 26 year old nothing

LOL, sorry.

 

[Racer88]

I have been watching a bit of the Florida/Canes series. These guys are animals as well as talented especially Florida and that’s why they are going to win the cup so for all the people that think like Dubas that our soft bunch of players have any chance……the answer is nope and that’s all you need to know about reviewing Dubas

 

[Confucius]

I have been watching a bit of the Florida/Canes series. These guys are animals as well as talented especially Florida and that’s why they are going to win the cup so for all the people that think like Dubas that our soft bunch of players have any chance……the answer is nope and that’s all you need to know about reviewing Dubas

Well let’s not forget he traded away most of our picks for the next 2 years as well.

 

[DarkKnight]

Here is Lou’s history, it’s an interesting comparison for sure, for any fair minded commentator, whatever those are here…

The Complete Reign of Lou Lamoriello

Let’s look at what Lou Lamoriello has done in his time as Leafs GM, and evaluate it.

www.pensionplanpuppets.com

 

[Racer88]

Well let’s not forget he traded away most of our picks for the next 2 years as well.

Sadly I am unable to forget how bad he has messed up this team now and in the immediate future .
It blows my mind that some people think losing him was a bad thing.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Sure would be nice to have Noesen and Mason Marchment and their minimum salary contracts on the Leafs roster.

Thanks again for the mismanagement, Dubas.

Marchment makes $4.5 million, and has pretty much been a playoff no-show the last three years.

 

[robertmac43]

Does that somehow make him special? Those of us who's been watching NHL hockey knew from the start that you need to have grit and toughest to win in this league, especially the Cup...yet Dubas thought he knew better and built the softest Leaf team we've seen until it didn't work and he had to pivot...but the damage was done because while he experimented, he had squandered years with little playoff success.

Never said it made him special. I just think we got rid of a guy who was becoming a great all round manager. It's also not like he lost and then took a dramatic pivot, he has been adding more grit to the lineup for years.

For sure but that was also the problem many had.
Grow and learn somewhere else and come here when you're ready.

Which is a fair critique.

Feels like we are now letting Dubas hit the market right when he was entering his best years as a GM. I think we will end up regretting that.

 

[Superstar]

Never said it made him special. I just think we got rid of a guy who was becoming a great all round manager. It's also not like he lost and then took a dramatic pivot, he has been adding more grit to the lineup for years.

So he's learning something that an average hockey fan has known for years? That you need plenty of toughness and grit in order to win it all? This is NHL real men's hockey, not EA Sports video game hockey. I'm not convinced he'll be great at all. All the balancing and juggling around the cap because Dubas chose to allocate half the cap to 4 forwards is due to Pridham's competence and not anything to do with Dubas.

 

[Antropovsky]

Kyle Dubas was a very good GM during his tenure. He resigned the core immediately before the pandemic forced a flat cap upon the entire league. He was then forced to get creative in ways he may not have had to.

The team consistently got better year over year, but they also underperfomed when it mattered the most.

He drafted well, and was always willing to adapt or admit failure. Something that is not common at all in professional sport.

Never at any point in his tenure did I feel uneasy with his direction. He always seemed to have a future focused mindset. The one thing he has done better than any other Leafs GM in the past is that he has left us in a better position then he inherited. We have no contracts that are terrible, or need moving aside from Matt Murray. We also have a healthy amount of cap space going into the offseason. Not to mention a decent selection of next wave prospects that seem destined to make the NHL in the near future (Knies, Robby, Niemela, Woll, Hirvonen, McMann...etc)

I am genuinely going to miss Kyle as our GM. Which is something I've not been able to say about any former Leafs GM.

Best of luck Kyle. Your hard work never went unnoticed by me (and many others). I got no doubt in my mind he will be very successful for plenty of years to come

That damn flat cap... Caught Dubas and nobody else! Tack on another excuse for the Leafs failures! Lol Dubas definitely build a culture of excuses. Respect in the handshake line, hot goalies, covid! Dynasty team just, just incredibly bad luck.

 

[Stephen]

Which is a fair critique.

Feels like we are now letting Dubas hit the market right when he was entering his best years as a GM. I think we will end up regretting that.

I think we are definitely going to be missing Dubas' prime years as a GM. He got an education in Toronto and MLSE paid the tuition.

But I have do have to ask, what is the intellectual foundation for Dubas' potential as a great GM going forward? His strengths as a GM are never measured against the best GM's in the game but always against other Toronto GMs that didn't get the job done.

 

[Superstar]

I think we are definitely going to be missing Dubas' prime years as a GM. He got an education in Toronto and MLSE paid the tuition.

But I have do have to ask, what is the intellectual foundation for Dubas' potential as a great GM going forward? His strengths as a GM are never measured against the best GM's in the game but always against other Toronto GMs that didn't get the job done.

There have been many bad GM's in Toronto, but at Dubas' height, he has done nothing that could come closing to matching Fletcher getting Gilmour and then later getting Sundin.

 

[Stephen]

That damn flat cap... Caught Dubas and nobody else! Tack on another excuse for the Leafs failures! Lol Dubas definitely build a culture of excuses. Respect in the handshake line, hot goalies, covid! Dynasty team just, just incredibly bad luck.

I really didn't like those talking points. There was always such an intellectual disconnect between complaining about the flat cap when it suited vs endless belief in the core.

If you believe in the core, you're not worried about a flat cap because you allocated your money appropriately. If you're worried about a flat cap and can't support the core, well the core can't be constituted that way because you're not building a showcase core... your job is to build a NHL team.

What frustrated me about Dubas was he was always talking like the smartest guy in the room. Some of us have book clubs too, Kyle.

 

[socko]

Jettisoning Dubas isn't going to change much if you just bring back all of Dubas's players just like Dubas would have. It's cute when we try to blame it on Keefe but it wasn't any different under Babcock. It's the guys on the ice that aren't cutting it. And apparently they're all coming back. Yippee.

 

[robertmac43]

So he's learning something that an average hockey fan has known for years? That you need plenty of toughness and grit in order to win it all? This is NHL real men's hockey, not EA Sports video game hockey. I'm not convinced he'll be great at all. All the balancing and juggling around the cap because Dubas chose to allocate half the cap to 4 forwards is due to Pridham's competence and not anything to do with Dubas.

You need grit, scoring, goaltending, luck, etc. You basically need everything to go right to win a Cup. Hardest trophy in sports to win. I don't think extra grit changes much of past results tbh.

My guess is Dubas will go on to another team and have some great success. Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't think this was the time to let him go. We have invested time into his development, he drafts well, his decision making has improved, and he was willing to trade the core/make major moves to improve the team this off season.

 

[Kurtz]

That damn flat cap... Caught Dubas and nobody else! Tack on another excuse for the Leafs failures! Lol Dubas definitely build a culture of excuses. Respect in the handshake line, hot goalies, covid! Dynasty team just, just incredibly bad luck.

Yup. I don't understand what a flat cap has to do with the fact that Rantanen, coming off back to back ppg seasons signed for $9.25m and then like 2 weeks later, Marner, the hometown kid mind you, the guy who has extra earning power by being in every damn local commercial (good luck getting that in a different city), signs for $10.9.

Tack that $1.7m difference onto Kerfoot's contract and there's your money for Hyman.

 

[Stephen]

Yup. I don't understand what a flat cap has to do with the fact that Rantanen, coming off back to back ppg seasons signed for $9.25m and then like 2 weeks later, Marner, the hometown kid mind you, the guy who has extra earning power by being in every damn local commercial (good luck getting that in a different city), signs for $10.9.

Tack that $1.7m difference onto Kerfoot's contract and there's your money for Hyman.

Hell, if the Leafs had gotten the extra 25% retained on Murray ($1.56 million), to say nothing of avoiding that mess entirely, and moved off Kerfoot's $3.5 million, they would have saved $5.06 million in cap for $5.0 million to get pretty damn close to signing Hyman at $5.5 million. The timing wouldn't have lined up, but damn if the money wasn't wasted anyway.

A useless goalie and a pet forward.

 

[Superstar]

Yup. I don't understand what a flat cap has to do with the fact that Rantanen, coming off back to back ppg seasons signed for $9.25m and then like 2 weeks later, Marner, the hometown kid mind you, the guy who has extra earning power by being in every damn local commercial (good luck getting that in a different city), signs for $10.9.

Tack that $1.7m difference onto Kerfoot's contract and there's your money for Hyman.

Dubas had to pawn Marleau and a 1st off to make that Marner contract work, genius!

 

[Stephen]

I have been watching a bit of the Florida/Canes series. These guys are animals as well as talented especially Florida and that’s why they are going to win the cup so for all the people that think like Dubas that our soft bunch of players have any chance……the answer is nope and that’s all you need to know about reviewing Dubas

These guys play with skill by executing with speed.

 

[Trapper]

Dubas had to pawn Marleau and a 1st off to make that Marner contract work, genius!

Don’t forget he also had to trade for David Clarkson on LTIR to make it work.

 

[Superstar]

Don’t forget he also had to trade for David Clarkson on LTIR to make it work.

Squandering MLSE money and resources, but his shills claiming he didn't have enough control to do his job well, yeah right...

 

[PromisedLand]

Here is my comprehensive review:

An Absolute and Pathetic Failure!

The End

 

[mikeyz]

Marchment makes $4.5 million, and has pretty much been a playoff no-show the last three years.

So what? Matthews, Marner and Tavares make 11-11.6 million and have been playoff no shows for 7 years

 

[ToneDog]

Yup. I don't understand what a flat cap has to do with the fact that Rantanen, coming off back to back ppg seasons signed for $9.25m and then like 2 weeks later, Marner, the hometown kid mind you, the guy who has extra earning power by being in every damn local commercial (good luck getting that in a different city), signs for $10.9.

Tack that $1.7m difference onto Kerfoot's contract and there's your money for Hyman.

IIRC Ranta waited until Marner signed. Sakic refused to overpay.

 

[Trapper]

Watching Dubas and this core for the last 5 years:

Best comprehensive review I can come up with.