A Comprehensive Review of the Kyle Dubas Era

[Donnie740]

Which core piece is going to Pits for a blockbuster

Pyjama Boy, Matt Murray and Justin Holl.

I’m good with getting ZERO back in return.

 

[Trapper]

I’ll believe it when it happens.

I’ll believe it when it changes.
I fully expect a run it back, now with a new GM version.
I don’t think any current established GM is going to come here. Why would they want to face down 6 weeks to NMC, re-sign, possible walk and maybe be limited by Shanahan in terms of moving a core player if they wish.
It will probably be a a former GM trying to get back into the game by playing it the Shanny way.
Here is your core, put the magic around it. But if the core doesn’t work, we will be right back where we started.

 

[myleafs]

I’ll believe it when it changes.
I fully expect a run it back, now with a new GM version.
I don’t think any current established GM is going to come here. Why would they want to face down 6 weeks to NMC, re-sign, possible walk and maybe be limited by Shanahan in terms of moving a core player if they wish.
It will probably be a a former GM trying to get back into the game by playing it the Shanny way.
Here is your core, put the magic around it. But if the core doesn’t work, we will be right back where we started.

man, I hope your wrong about that

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Man was the so-called Shanaplan ever out of this world.

Makes about as much sense as quantum physics. As in not much. Both thought up by a crank too.


Follow the bouncing ball (if you can):

Hire Dubas and Hunter while Nonis was still GM. Let them commit the equivalency of corporate genocide in the ensuing power struggle. Dividing both the front office and fan base in the process.

Meanwhile hire Babcock while Nonis was still GM.

Finally fire Nonis and hire Lamoriello. Then name Dubas as successor while Lou and Hunter are still around. Stubbornly keep Dubas around for years.

Running it back over and over again.

Even though the team won nothing the entire time. Despite all evidence pointing to "we can and we will" being a massive and costly boondoggle on the world's largest hockey stage. In the end fire Dubas on a knee-jerk whim.

Shanahan did nothing but watch while Dubas botched the rebuild.

Yet in his presser Shanahan STILL refuses to admit any mistakes. Because, God forbid, someone of such genius ever be wrong. Shanahan must know his days are numbered now.

Even he can't be that obtuse.

In the meantime ML$E will keep paying him for all his hard work. Doing nothing pays well.

So sad.

Just three short years ago I had such high hopes for this team. To watch it all fall apart, while management tripped all over themselves, embarrassing. We're all told the Toronto Maple Leafs are the centre of the hockey universe.

That's because they're a black hole for the fans money.

 

[justashadowof]

I’ll believe it when it changes.
I fully expect a run it back, now with a new GM version.
I don’t think any current established GM is going to come here. Why would they want to face down 6 weeks to NMC, re-sign, possible walk and maybe be limited by Shanahan in terms of moving a core player if they wish.
It will probably be a a former GM trying to get back into the game by playing it the Shanny way.
Here is your core, put the magic around it. But if the core doesn’t work, we will be right back where we started.

I predict they'll manage one extension this summer (Matthews - too risky financially for him to have another 40 goal season). Inexplicably it's discovered that Matthews needs wrist surgery and he misses a big chunk of the season. Nylander rides his contract to free agency, scores 40+ again, is priced out of town and can't be convinced to accept a rental trade. The lineup will be filled in by attracting decent NHL level support talent. Goaltending will again be an issue, not a disaster, but not a team strength. They'll make the playoffs paying different lip service then go on to deliver the same type of regular season level effort.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think you will see a big changeover in team with new GM .. da philosophy of team will change .. da focus will shift more to size and speed then skill .. players will adept or be traded .. JT is da 1 problem which can't be fixed unless he goes on LTIR for season

 

[WillTheThrill]

Pyjama Boy, Matt Murray and Justin Holl.

I’m good with getting ZERO back in return.

This guy chose to play in Toronto when so many other Ontario born players have said thanks but no thanks. He's been a tremendous captain and great leader in the community. Ya he may not be worth 11 mil anymore but he's still a ppg C who's excellent at faceoffs. He also scored the goal that won us a round for the first time in 19 years. Lets show him a little respect.

 

[ACC1224]

Have we come up with a consensus top 5 Best Of/Worst of Dubas moments from his tenure?

I'm thinking one side of the ledger will be much more difficult to rank than the other.

 

[ToneDog]

Have we come up with a consensus top 5 Best Of/Worst of Dubas moments from his tenure?

I'm thinking one side of the ledger will be much more difficult to rank than the other.

#1 has to be "We can and we will".

 

[ToneDog]

I’ll believe it when it changes.
I fully expect a run it back, now with a new GM version.
I don’t think any current established GM is going to come here. Why would they want to face down 6 weeks to NMC, re-sign, possible walk and maybe be limited by Shanahan in terms of moving a core player if they wish.
It will probably be a a former GM trying to get back into the game by playing it the Shanny way.
Here is your core, put the magic around it. But if the core doesn’t work, we will be right back where we started.

No way in hell can they or will they run it back IMO. I mean they have changed the supporting cast around them for 5 years with the only progress being a 2nd round win more than the team Lou left. I did not catch everything that O'Dog said on Leafs lunch but he talked about the core being the problem. Run it back again and it will be deva vu all over again in a year.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This guy chose to play in Toronto when so many other Ontario born players have said thanks but no thanks. He's been a tremendous captain and great leader in the community. Ya he may not be worth 11 mil anymore but he's still a ppg C who's excellent at faceoffs. He also scored the goal that won us a round for the first time in 19 years. Lets show him a little respect.

I love JT but bottom line he ain't a 2C in league anymore .. he's a 2/3LWer at best who can help out with faceoffs .. and we can't continue on with da BS you can win with half CAP on 4 forwards .. it is a pipe dream .. it is da main reason why da Shannaplan has not worked .. Willy is our best value as he has all da tools at lowest AAV but he picks/chooses when he wants to play .. Matty is our 1OA pick and 1C but he is overpaid relative to playoff performance .. Mitch is most overpaid and our biggest issue in playoff hockey .. JT is not going anywhere as he signed here to retire here .. this is an ENORMOUS problem for any new GM to resolve

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Thank you Kyle Dubas.

For making me look smarter than you all these years.

To be honest, all anyone had to do was disagree with virtually every move he made and you would have been right far more often than wrong. If someone came up to you five years ago and said you could do everything possible to wreck this team, with the exception of trading any of the star players, you probably couldn't have done any better than what Dubas did during his time here. This is what five years of "we can and we will" has come to.

A team resembling a softer watered down Pat Quinn model.

A few soft studs. Surrounded by soft euro finds. The only grit coming from the old moo-cow slab'o'beef in the back end.

The team has the exact same problems it did before he took over.

The goaltending might actually be an even bigger shambles. The defense has more guys the wrong side of thirty than not. The best defenseman is a soft one-dimensional wanna be forward.

And now five years burned off the prime of this core.

So good riddance to you, Kyle Dubas. I feel sorry for the next team that hires you. If you ever manage to bamboozle someone into ever giving you another NHL job that is.

God knows you did nothing extraordinary during your tenure here.

Except in your failures.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I’ll believe it when it changes.
I fully expect a run it back, now with a new GM version.
I don’t think any current established GM is going to come here. Why would they want to face down 6 weeks to NMC, re-sign, possible walk and maybe be limited by Shanahan in terms of moving a core player if they wish.
It will probably be a a former GM trying to get back into the game by playing it the Shanny way.
Here is your core, put the magic around it. But if the core doesn’t work, we will be right back where we started.

Can't there be some compromise or a slightly different version?

Anyway. Treliving/Shanny are not foolish. They will get a feel for Matthews' intentions. If he doesn't want to return, then they'll trade him. If he wants to stay then they'll sign him. Signing him means giving him a raise. WN/MM (one of them) will likely have to be moved to make this work.

I suppose I believe that change is inevitable.

 

[Racer88]

Dubas style could be described as patching up holes instead of just taking the time and cost to fix them properly.

He must work for the Toronto public works department

 

[Trapper]

Can't there be some compromise or a slightly different version?

Anyway. Treliving/Shanny are not foolish. They will get a feel for Matthews' intentions. If he doesn't want to return, then they'll trade him. If he wants to stay then they'll sign him. Signing him means giving him a raise. WN/MM (one of them) will likely have to be moved to make this work.

I suppose I believe that change is inevitable.

Worst/best case is try to get everyone signed so you retain the assets. Next contracts have a limited NTC of 10 teams.
I’m sure both Shanahan and Treliving will sit down with the players and outline the way moving forward.

 

[socko]

Have we come up with a consensus top 5 Best Of/Worst of Dubas moments from his tenure?

I'm thinking one side of the ledger will be much more difficult to rank than the other.

Best
1) Short term he improved the defense: Muzzin, Brodie, etc. Although they suck again now.
2) Letting Campbell walk was a good move.
3) Knies was a good pick.
4) He won a playoff series!
5) Jason Spezza

Worst
1) Historically bad contracts, especially Marner.
2) John Tavares
3) Nick Foligno
4) Drafting, we're counting on washed Gio, Muzzin, Holl because Dubas can't draft.
5) You get a draft pick, and you get a draft pick, draft picks for everyone, text me if I forgot you.

 

[al secord]

Pyjama Boy, Matt Murray and Justin Holl.

I’m good with getting ZERO back in return.

Read a book.