Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

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Danielson thus far looks like a young Larks but with better ability to use his linemates. CHL is probably the best route for him to develop his offensive game. AHL is more for defensive, ice size, physicality adjustments. It'd be different if say he was Ras's size amd he was just ragdolling smaller kids but he is of average size.

Kasper I think long term takes on a Bert type role, which is huge for playoff success. He doesn't strike me as a line driver offensively but if he can take on that PF/ Agitator top 6 role while being better defensively that Bert, that is a huge win long term. Him and Ras really developing into skilled (ie not Abby) level piano pullers is a big deal.
 

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I have no idea why you bothered to mention Zadina or Ras those are both Holland picks. Nearly everyone on the board hates the Ras pick. The 2023 draft is one of the deepest in a long time. Danielson outplaying Kasper is more a disappointment in Kasper then it is Danielson excelling quite frankly.

Seider, got anymore brain busters?
you can say we all hate the ras pick, but it looks like that pick is about to thrive.

If you’re crying about Dvorsky just watch this.


Yeah i'm kind of off his train now. I keep forgetting we just can't draft people from that country/region very well and I got sucked into the hype.

Regardless, he will be on our team in 10 years anyways so whatever.
 
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Danielson thus far looks like a young Larks but with better ability to use his linemates. CHL is probably the best route for him to develop his offensive game. AHL is more for defensive, ice size, physicality adjustments. It'd be different if say he was Ras's size amd he was just ragdolling smaller kids but he is of average size.

Kasper I think long term takes on a Bert type role, which is huge for playoff success. He doesn't strike me as a line driver offensively but if he can take on that PF/ Agitator top 6 role while being better defensively that Bert, that is a huge win long term. Him and Ras really developing into skilled (ie not Abby) level piano pullers is a big deal.
I agree. If Danielson Can be Larkin 2.0, that’s huge. A top 6 of:
Kasper-Danielson-Mazur
Raymond-Larkin-DeBrincat

1A/1B lines, with an extremely tough to play agaisnt first line. With our defense, I think we could contend with this kind of team a lot like the winning Vegas or St. Louis teams.
 

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Danielson thus far looks like a young Larks but with better ability to use his linemates. CHL is probably the best route for him to develop his offensive game. AHL is more for defensive, ice size, physicality adjustments. It'd be different if say he was Ras's size amd he was just ragdolling smaller kids but he is of average size.

Kasper I think long term takes on a Bert type role, which is huge for playoff success. He doesn't strike me as a line driver offensively but if he can take on that PF/ Agitator top 6 role while being better defensively that Bert, that is a huge win long term. Him and Ras really developing into skilled (ie not Abby) level piano pullers is a big deal.
Danielson has shown that he can use his body pretty well, even if it was ahl talent or not in that game (i forgot who it was but he completely out-bodied two players in the corner and got the puck loose for someone else to grab it on the wings).

He already has scoring ability. He was on a terrible WHL team and lead in all scoring categories. He had to take more defensive role too because the team defense was bad (and still led in scoring). Honestly, if there was a way to pay off the CHL/BWK to let him go from playing there and have him go to the AHL, it would be 100% best for his development. He is already doing pretty well against AHL talent (in the 1 preseason game...but still. He didn't look out of place at all) and it would be beneficial for Kasper to have him in AHL too because that would push the competition of 1c in GR. As of now, Kasper has zero 1c competition in GR imo and that can breed comfortability even if it is unintentional.
 

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Great post from @Petes2424 on Danielson & Detroit's scouting:

I understand Tampa fans want to pretend that’s true, but it’s simply not.

Yzerman has always drafted a “type” of forward for example, and Detroit now drafts those types of players and Tampa doesn’t. The types of players like Savage, Kasper, Mazur, Hanas, Lombardi, all have the same common theme as Point, Cirelli, Joseph, etc.

They’re players who already play/played in traffic extremely well, and have the lateral movement needed to succeed creating space in the NHL. Danielson is no exception.

Doesn’t mean they’ll all develop into great players, but the core attributes of Yzerman’s draft picks hasn’t changed. Tampa’s has.

Fans basically go off of a variation of one list from Central Scouting, these media draft gurus almost all go off of. They don’t vary often. A service 75% of teams don’t even look at anymore. Scouting is so different today than it was when CS ran most draft evaluations, etc. They’re basically for the media and fans now, when originally they were for the teams.

There’s 7-8 teams now, who not only do everything in-house, they farm out to independent contractors and evaluators for 2nd and 3rd opinions now too. They also have armies of contracted scouts. Take a kid like Savage or Mazur… Detroit could tell you what their diet was at 13. That’s how in-depth certain teams have become. Detroit also has a couple of advantages over most teams. There’s people within, or very close to the club, who are also very involved with the AAA system in Detroit. Which is still where minor hockey evolves around.. At least at high levels. Whether it’s with Little Caesars or one of the other clubs. So they’re basically following those kids daily from 10-11 years old. The teams where kids from all over the country will come play, in many cases, minus only a few areas..

They also have an actual army of scouts not on the payroll. Not only in NA, but also in Sweden now. It’s all based off of the old Devellano models that are now used in Detroit, Dallas, Tampa, Edmonton, Anaheim, Carolina and with the NYR. These teams have armies of former AAA coaches mostly. They are constantly feeding data to regional guys, who then are part of the Scouting departments of these teams. That’s why it’s always these teams who fans wonder why they took a player maybe where they did. It’s also why Yzerman rolled his eyes (with a puzzled look) when interviewed right after drafting Seider… when they asked him if he was drafted too high. The other teams know the depths some of these teams take now. Detroit is the only one who’s taken this system to Europe. They’re literally in 100 rinks in just Sweden by doing this. Probably more. Same in Canada and the States. In Ontario alone, most teams will have 3-5 guys. Detroit and these other teams still have those 3 guys, but they have these contracted scouts in numerous other buildings around the province too. They basically pay them for reports on associations, players within, etc.

It’s pretty complex.

So when they draft Danielson at 9, they valued him at 9, and many other teams likely did too. It was pretty known they liked him a lot. The name I kept getting from people was Detroit seen him as a Couturier, and you can see that in him.

At the end of the day though, you still have to develop these players. Detroit now has plenty of kids they’ve drafted. When Yzerman got there, they basically didn’t have very many young kids to develop. Really only a few. Now they have more than enough. Whether they all become what some say, we shall see, but it looks like they hit pretty good in the 1st round of the 23’ draft.
 

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I agree. If Danielson Can be Larkin 2.0, that’s huge. A top 6 of:
Kasper-Danielson-Mazur
Raymond-Larkin-DeBrincat

1A/1B lines, with an extremely tough to play agaisnt first line. With our defense, I think we could contend with this kind of team a lot like the winning Vegas or St. Louis teams.
Much rather have Mazur with Debrincat and Larkin, give that line some jam. Kasper as our 3C gives us serious depth down the center and let us tilt games 90% of the time.
 

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Much rather have Mazur with Debrincat and Larkin, give that line some jam. Kasper as our 3C gives us serious depth down the center and let us tilt games 90% of the time.
Do you think our best power forward with best playmaker and best goalscorer combination not good enough for you .
Mazur , just was injured and this would be his first game
 

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Do you think our best power forward with best playmaker and best goalscorer combination not good enough for you .
Mazur , just was injured and this would be his first game
I was thinking more long term, the those combos would be more balanced.

Out of Larkin , Debrincat and Raymond who is the powerforward? No of them are imposing physically.
 

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I was thinking more long term, the those combos would be more balanced.

Out of Larkin , Debrincat and Raymond who is the powerforward? No of them are imposing physically.
Larkin is.
In long term I started believing that Danielson is first line center, and line like Kasper Danielson Mazur could be awesome
 

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Damn I hate these NHL rules, when you can't sent Danielson to AHL. That would be his right level. There's no reason to go back play against Kids at WHL. And NHL would be too much for so long season. He can get taste for 9 months or something like that.

But one season at NCAA level or at Europe would be Best if you can't go To AHL.

Meanwhile, Zack Benson looks extremely impressive for Buffalo. Looks like this draft was indeed a deep one.
Yep. Could be like Kasper would have been something like 30th overall on this class, and Danielson going Top3 on Kasper's draft class.

Everything will point out how this 2023 is one of those superior classes like 2015 and 2003, best of ever.
 

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Damn I hate these NHL rules, when you can't sent Danielson to AHL. That would be his right level. There's no reason to go back play against Kids at WHL. And NHL would be too much for so long season. He can get taste for 9 months or something like that.

But one season at NCAA level or at Europe would be Best if you can't go To AHL.
Does the CHL contract prevent kids from going to Europe for their D+1 year? I am thinking it must because it never happens.
 

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Does the CHL contract prevent kids from going to Europe for their D+1 year? I am thinking it must because it never happens.
If we wanted him to go to Europe we should have sent him over over a month ago. By the time the regular season rolls around they're almost a month deep already.
 

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Does the CHL contract prevent kids from going to Europe for their D+1 year? I am thinking it must because it never happens.
Most pro teams aren't going to guarantee any icetime for 18-19 year olds coming out of juniors. Most NA prospects also probably don't want to go across the globe to play on big ice a year, it's a lot of adjustments in a short time.
 
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I want to see Danielson dominate in the Dubya this year, and then dominate for Team Canada at the U20’s, then come over the GR, no need to rush him. I love that he’s gaining all this confidence and that he looks like he belongs now, but the season is long and grueling, why rush him?
Because he's a good smart 200 foot player who's going to help you to win and possibly make the playoffs. Only problem is the karate kid hurting the Yzerplan by doing well and hurting our draft position...
 
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I am vindicated by Benson kicking ass in Buffalo, I knew he would be great. That kid is going to be a superstar.

But if Danielson can build off this start and become our Bergeron, it’s hard to argue against that.
 
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Does the CHL contract prevent kids from going to Europe for their D+1 year? I am thinking it must because it never happens.
Yes, the player needs to be released by the league before he can play in AHL or Europe. It's in the contract, I read through both the OHL and WHL versions.

CHL players are not eligible for NCAA by NCAA rules, on top of the contract issue. They are eligible for Canadian schools though, once their contract is over.
 
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Because he's a good smart 200 foot player who's going to help you to win and possibly make the playoffs. Only problem is the karate kid hurting the Yzerplan by doing well and hurting our draft position...

I hate this thought. We should want our kids to do well and lift the team in the standings. I want Detroit to finish way high in the standings the next few years and not be picking top 10 anymore.
 

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I hate this thought. We should want our kids to do well and lift the team in the standings. I want Detroit to finish way high in the standings the next few years and not be picking top 10 anymore.
Agreed. I would happily forfeit an entire draft class of picks for another Stanley Cup. Good players are there to help you win games and chase championships, so once you're ready to do the latter, it means mission already accomplished with the former.
 

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I hate this thought. We should want our kids to do well and lift the team in the standings. I want Detroit to finish way high in the standings the next few years and not be picking top 10 anymore.
Barring major injuries, the Wings aren't gonna pick top 10 for a while, so we better hope these kids are homeruns. I have high hopes for Ed and Danielson, still not sure about Cossa, but you don't need top 10 picks to get a good goalie.
 

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Barring major injuries, the Wings aren't gonna pick top 10 for a while, so we better hope these kids are homeruns. I have high hopes for Ed and Danielson, still not sure about Cossa, but you don't need top 10 picks to get a good goalie.

Don't really have to have homeruns. Just build a legit cap-controlled team like Vegas and the players will join/want to be traded to Detroit.

It has already begun by getting DeBrincat. Others will follow.
 
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Don't really have to have homeruns. Just build a legit cap-controlled team like Vegas and the players will join/want to be traded to Detroit.

It has already begun by getting DeBrincat. Others will follow.
Well, ELC/RFA is the easiest way to control the cap.

Also, right now if Larkin or Mo gets injured this team is screwed. Danielson and Ed provide a backup at 1C and 1D. Cap control is nice but I like to see a good 1-2 punch at the top on offense and defense.

Vegas got lucky as far as injuries, Stone was the only player that missed significant number of games, and the whole team was healthy during the playoffs. Martinez played most of the regular season and all of the postseason. I don't expect the Wings to be as lucky based on the last few years with Larkin, Fabbri's ACLs, Raz and Kasper's broken knee caps, Walman, Mo and Ed's shoulders, etc. Not to mention other players that are now gone like Mantha, Bert, and Vrana. This team is kinda unlucky.
 

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