Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[Detroit Knights]

Brandon has scored 27 goals in 5 games this year. He has some players to play with this year that took huge steps from where they were last year.

I’m not worried one bit with wherever they choose to develop him this year.

I am not so "worried" about where the brass put him, I just believe that he is much more fitted with playing out of the whl at this point.

 

[raymond23]

Hear me out real quick:

Danielson makes the team out of camp

Really, really impressive debut with the organization thus far

I think he'll play nine games then head back to Brandon if we see any drop off in his performance during that time

Bergeron immediately came to my mind. A kid that was mature beyond his years (2nd round pick in Bergeron's case) and made the team out of camp unexpectedly

 

[RedHawkDown]

If he can become our bergeron (and I do agree the comparison is somewhat appropriate with style of play, etc.) then we won the draft.

Bedard is flashy and all but I still say (and have said it so many times here) Fantili>Bedard.

I was also on a slight crusade all last night posting the video of danielson dummying bedard on the powerkill late in the game to every single twitter post of bedard doing his one move that amounted to nothing. I mean his scoring chance wasn't even that great, whereas danielson dawgs him on the back check and sets up edvinsson for a much better scoring opportunity.

I dont think we need to downplay Bedard to prop up our guys. He absolutely made Ed look foolish and had he placed his shot a bit better, it was a sure goal - he had the goalie backed way into the net. Bedard will be a superstar in this league; the success of our guys is not dependent on that. It’s not a zero sum game.

I hope Bedard surpasses all expectations. Even though I hate Chicago, I love hockey and would love to see another exceptional talent for 10+ years. And then it’ll be even more enjoyable when Seider shuts him down in the finals.

On topic, I do think Danielson can make the team, but I don’t see any issue with sending
him back to Brandon for another year. He needs to focus completely on offense and find that extra gear. If can put up a 100+pt season in Brandon and come to camp next year with an exceptional offensive skillset to go with his mature 2way game, then boom - we’ve got our Bergeron.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I dont think we need to downplay Bedard to prop up our guys. He absolutely made Ed look foolish and had he placed his shot a bit better, it was a sure goal - he had the goalie backed way into the net. Bedard will be a superstar in this league; the success of our guys is not dependent on that. It’s not a zero sum game.

I hope Bedard surpasses all expectations. Even though I hate Chicago, I love hockey and would love to see another exceptional talent for 10+ years. And then it’ll be even more enjoyable when Seider shuts him down in the finals.

I have nothing against Bedard at all but I hope he becomes the biggest bust of all time for Chicago or demands a trade as soon as humanly possible.

Between the paltry fine for the Kyle Beach coverup and the most blatant tanking I've seen in the cap era, the last place I wanted Bedard to go was to the Blackhawks.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I have nothing against Bedard at all but I hope he becomes the biggest bust of all time for Chicago or demands a trade as soon as humanly possible.

Between the paltry fine for the Kyle Beach coverup and the most blatant tanking I've seen in the cap era, the last place I wanted Bedard to go was to the Blackhawks.

I don’t disagree. I hate the team and the organization. But I can’t root against a kid who didn’t do anything wrong.

Best case scenario for me is Bedard is exceptional but never wins a cup with Chicago.

 

[Frk It]

I am not so "worried" about where the brass put him, I just believe that he is much more fitted with playing out of the whl at this point.

Hard for me to think the situation where he will play the most minutes isn’t a good situation for his development.

Did Draisaitl playing in the WHL in his + year hurt him?

 

[RRhoads]

He should get the 9 games, and then see how he fits in. If he can play middle six minutes and contribute offensively, the NHL is the right place for him to be.

 

[stillwater]

Hard for me to think the situation where he will play the most minutes isn’t a good situation for his development.

Did Draisaitl playing in the WHL in his + year hurt him?

Draisaitl played 37 NHL games in his + year

 

[jkutswings]

Best case scenario for me is Bedard is exceptional but never wins a cup with Chicago.

Or he emulates Debrincat and Chicago is merely the placeholder until he demands a trade to Detroit.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

Brandon has scored 27 goals in 5 games this year. He has some players to play with this year that took huge steps from where they were last year.

I’m not worried one bit with wherever they choose to develop him this year.

I came to point this out as well. Brandon seems to have a little more scoring support for him this year. I say let him develop his offensive game, he could turn into a #1 center after all. His 200ft game is already strong, hes got decent size, and has great speed. If his offensive continues to improve, the sky is the limit.

 

[jkutswings]

If he can put up a 100+pt season in Brandon and come to camp next year with an exceptional offensive skillset to go with his mature 2way game, then boom - we’ve got our Bergeron.

I don't normally believe in the ability to speak something into existence. But I have zero objections if everybody on this board wants to keep saying the above until it happens.

 

[Frk It]

Draisaitl played 37 NHL games in his + year

Should have been in the W all along, he was barely playing.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Hard for me to think the situation where he will play the most minutes isn’t a good situation for his development.

Did Draisaitl playing in the WHL in his + year hurt him?

Did Raymond need to go back to sweden/start in GR instead of making the team?

 

[Frk It]

Did Raymond need to go back to sweden/start in GR instead of making the team?

I mean surely you understand that’s not the same situation at all…

 

[Shaman464]

I was very happy with this pick in June. I’m even happier now with his performance in the preseason. I think he’s a cut above Kasper.

 

[Henkka]

I don’t disagree. I hate the team and the organization. But I can’t root against a kid who didn’t do anything wrong.

Best case scenario for me is Bedard is exceptional but never wins a cup with Chicago.

I hare Bedard as I hate Matthews and as I did hate Peter Forsberg.

They play for opposite rival teams and there's no love for Red Wings enemies.

It's pretty simple. I just can't never enjoy Conor Bedard as long as he is a blackhawk.

I still have some feelings against DeBrincat, but it just needs few wins and lethal onetimers scored to forgot those stupid feelings.

 

[Henkka]

I came to point this out as well. Brandon seems to have a little more scoring support for him this year. I say let him develop his offensive game, he could turn into a #1 center after all. His 200ft game is already strong, hes got decent size, and has great speed. If his offensive continues to improve, the sky is the limit.

Those junior hockey lovers... It's always about talking about scoring support or getting high ice-time.

How about gettting low ice-time at NHL, learning from pros, and hitting more at gym because you have more energy to train, thanks to low ice-time?

There are always options.

You go back to WHL, and you learn nothing from other kids. You stand pat. Kids doing kid things.

The high-scoring against easy league is just illusion for stat-watchers. Who want some only proof you can understand to measure a good hockeyplayer. Score high points, yeah that's a realgud hockeyplayer.

It's a waste of a season. Danielson is already a bit overaged, so there's no need for Junior hockey. We see it now, everybody is praising him and sees it with an eye-test. He is good, he is right there, already par with NHLrs.

Lalonde already said his opinion about advanced stats, "believe when you see it". We see this guys' greatness. Let him learn at NHL, let him grow with great pros like Perron.

It's best invested money at hockey business. Good skater, defensively responsible, faceoffs. It's those Bergeron intangibles at young age I've never seen from anybody... except Bergeron.

Bergeron went straight to NHL, because he was responsible defensively. Just like Danielson. Coaches have no problems to use a kid like that. Because those are rare kids. They play like vets from the start.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

The 9 games thing makes less sense when you realize the Wings will probably have to lose a player on waivers just to make it happen. Yeah, ideally it would happen, but at this point I just don't think it is in the team's best interests.

Besides, it's not like the WHL+WJC is a bad development environment by any means. He's going to be playing a massive role.

 

[Frk It]

Those junior hockey lovers... It's always about talking about scoring support or getting high ice-time.

How about gettting low ice-time at NHL, learning from pros, and hitting more at gym because you have more energy to train, thanks to low ice-time?

There are always options.

You go back to WHL, and you learn nothing from other kids. You stand pat. Kids doing kid things.

The high-scoring against easy league is just illusion for stat-watchers. Who want some only proof you can understand to measure a good hockeyplayer. Score high points, yeah that's a realgud hockeyplayer.

It's a waste of a season. Danielson is already a bit overaged, so there's no need for Junior hockey. We see it now, everybody is praising him and sees it with an eye-test. He is good, he is right there, already par with NHLrs.

Lalonde already said his opinion about advanced stas, "believe when you see it". We see this guys greatness. Let him learn at NHL, let him grow with great pros like Perron.

It's best invested money at hockey business. Good skater, defensively responsible, faceoffs. It's those Bergeron intangibles at young age I've never seen from anybody... except Bergeron.

Bergeron webt straight to NHL, because he responsible defensively. Just like Danielson. Coaches have no problems to use a kid like that. Because those are rare kids. They play like vets from the start.

We have seen superstar players play their +1 season in the CHL, it’s not a “waste of a season”.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I mean surely you understand that’s not the same situation at all…

 

[Shaman464]

We have seen superstar players play their +1 season in the CHL, it’s not a “waste of a season”.

I still hate that the CHL has the NHL by it’s balls on this. They should have a carve out for top 15 picks that would allow them to jump leagues to the AHL after being drafted.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I still hate that the CHL has the NHL by it’s balls on this. They should have a carve out for top 15 picks that would allow them to jump leagues to the AHL after being drafted.

I honestly believe they should have a buyout clause.

If it is over money, which it probably is, then how much ticket sales + merch did danielson (example) bring in by himself? Get that number and add 20%. After this, det gains full possession and can send him to ahl or nhl.

Or have a clause where if you are top-20 pick then the nhl team has to make a final decision by end of preseason if that player should go back to chl or they can go to ahl. This eliminates the financial component from the nhl liability but it gives teams and prospects flexibility.

Danielson is a top-20 pick. He looks like he is better than his WHL competition to the point where his development probably won't stagnate, but it probably won't grow all that much either. Preseason is about to end soon enough so DET will know if he will go back or go to ahl, but the designation of where he is going has a hard deadline. Once you make the decision of where he is going, there's no changes that can be made. So if DET thinks he should go back to WHL, then at no point can DET call him up until after his full season+playoffs is completed. If DET decides AHL, then DET has total control and they say bye bye to whl.

It is very weird that a lower tiered league has that much control. Is this a CBA issue or a NHL+CHL issue? I would think it would be a CBA issue

 

[Frk It]

I like how people on this board said Danielson was unimpressive in the WHL last year and a bad pick and are now saying he is too good for the WHL.

You gotta love it.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I like how people on this board said Danielson was unimpressive in the WHL last year and a bad pick and are now saying he is too good for the WHL.

You gotta love it.

hilarious indeed

 

[Detroit Knights]

I like how people on this board said Danielson was unimpressive in the WHL last year and a bad pick and are now saying he is too good for the WHL.

You gotta love it.

Seems like you have some people in mind, why beat around the bush? Let it fly my man.