Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He's playing better than Kasper who was picked #8OA, and the knock on Danielson was his offensive ability. He was labeled as "tough to play against", so yeah, he's exceeding my expectations.

Not to mention Zadina, lol..... Danielson showed more offensive creativity in those games than #6OA Zadina has in his entire NHL career.

I don't remember Raz (also 9OA) looking as good either. His skating sucked. Danielson is pretty fluid.

Edit: Name a Wings prospect that has looked better in his first prospect tourney, first Red/White game, and first preseason game?

Zetterberg

Didn’t Seider get in some 2019 preseason games?

 

[Go Wings]

He's playing better than Kasper who was picked #8OA, and the knock on Danielson was his offensive ability. He was labeled as "tough to play against", so yeah, he's exceeding my expectations.

Not to mention Zadina, lol..... Danielson showed more offensive creativity in those games than #6OA Zadina has in his entire NHL career.

I don't remember Raz (also 9OA) looking as good either. His skating sucked. Danielson is pretty fluid.

Edit: Name a Wings prospect that has looked better in his first prospect tourney, first Red/White game, and first preseason game?

I have no idea why you bothered to mention Zadina or Ras those are both Holland picks. Nearly everyone on the board hates the Ras pick. The 2023 draft is one of the deepest in a long time. Danielson outplaying Kasper is more a disappointment in Kasper then it is Danielson excelling quite frankly.

Seider, got anymore brain busters?

 

[newfy]

He's playing better than Kasper who was picked #8OA, and the knock on Danielson was his offensive ability. He was labeled as "tough to play against", so yeah, he's exceeding my expectations.

I think we need to pump the brakes on this a bit too though even if Danielson has been great. Kasper has come to North American ice for the first time, missed a bunch of training time this off season with a broken knee cap and does not play a game thats going to look good going against teammates.

When preseason gets rolling here and Kasper is "allowed" to put the goalie into the net with the puck as well, hes going to look better than he does against his own teammates. His game is all based on intensity and these games are gonig to show that. Even if they dont right this second, the season he had last year and the lack of off season needs to be remembered off the bat here

 

[jkutswings]

I think we need to pump the brakes on this a bit too though even if Danielson has been great. Kasper has come to North American ice for the first time, missed a bunch of training time this off season with a broken knee cap and does not play a game thats going to look good going against teammates.

When preseason gets rolling here and Kasper is "allowed" to put the goalie into the net with the puck as well, hes going to look better than he does against his own teammates. His game is all based on intensity and these games are gonig to show that. Even if they dont right this second, the season he had last year and the lack of off season needs to be remembered off the bat here

Agree on all points. I'll add that there's no need to compare the two in the first place. I'm encouraged by BOTH, and it's not a zero sum game - they each bring their own skill set to the table, and the roster will benefit from each player. It's just a matter of how much time each guy will need to be ready (and there's no need to rush either).

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Agree on all points. I'll add that there's no need to compare the two in the first place. I'm encouraged by BOTH, and it's not a zero sum game - they each bring their own skill set to the table, and the roster will benefit from each player. It's just a matter of how much time each guy will need to be ready (and there's no need to rush either).

This part is lost on 99% of this board. It is amazing how someone cannot improve or be good without someone else being bad or falling off. We need both of these guys to out-develop expectations.

 

[Frk It]

I think they find Danielson a new home in the WHL. I do kind of expect him the year after though. He plays a solid game with a lot of pace. He really isn't that far off in my opinion.

Sending him to Brandon might not be an issue like we were thinking going into the season. They are 2-0-1 and have scored 19 goals in their first 3 games.

Roger McQueen looks like he a big time player he could possibly play with, and some other kids have emerged on that team as well.

Also it’s pretty clear reading this thread who had not seen Danileson play before prior to camp/pre-season, lol.

 

[izlez]

I have no idea why you bothered to mention Zadina or Ras those are both Holland picks. Nearly everyone on the board hates the Ras pick. The 2023 draft is one of the deepest in a long time. Danielson outplaying Kasper is more a disappointment in Kasper then it is Danielson excelling quite frankly.

Seider, got anymore brain busters?

I have no idea why you bothered to mention Ken Holland when it doesn't matter who drafted them when everyone is talking about how good players look right after they were drafted and whether or not they exceeded expectations

 

[SCD]

This part is lost on 99% of this board. It is amazing how someone cannot improve or be good without someone else being bad or falling off. We need both of these guys to out-develop expectations.

I think you are overstating things. This game is always about comparisons and match-ups. Regarding our own prospects, the comparison relates to where they are likely to end up in the line up.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I think you are overstating things. This game is always about comparisons and match-ups. Regarding our own prospects, the comparison relates to where they are likely to end up in the line up.

Stick around longer and watch. It is glorified double-entry accounting around here....and a hell of a lot of recency bias. This is coming from someone who very much supported drafting both of these guys.

 

[SirloinUB]

Agreed after 1 preseason game his future is definitely set.

Some of us follow camp, prospect tournaments and watch junior hockey but sick dunk.

I’m sure you can quote your favourite online scout to form your opinion of the player.

 

[SCD]

I think Danielson is another good example of a player that would benefit more going to the AHL than CHL. The skill level he has demonstrated in the past month clearly shows he is beyond the CHL development. NHL should force an agreement to allow first round draft picks the option of going to the AHL.

 

[norrisnick]

I think Danielson is another good example of a player that would benefit more going to the AHL than CHL. The skill level he has demonstrated in the past month clearly shows he is beyond the CHL development. NHL should force an agreement to allow first round draft picks the option of going to the AHL.

I don't get why the NHL or AHL have any sort of deal with the CHL at all. If kids want to go pro even if it's just the AHL, why would an amateur organization have any sort of say in the matter?

 

[Indrid Cold]

I don't get why the NHL or AHL have any sort of deal with the CHL at all. If kids want to go pro even if it's just the AHL, why would an amateur organization have any sort of say in the matter?

Havent they invested in these kids? Time, money, coaching, etc.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I don't like the AHL very much as a development league. Better have him in the CHL than there.

 

[RRhoads]

I don't get why the NHL or AHL have any sort of deal with the CHL at all. If kids want to go pro even if it's just the AHL, why would an amateur organization have any sort of say in the matter?

Because of the contract they sign in CHL. It is to keep the CHL relevant. The top players move on every year. It would be really bad if the second best players moved on as well. Suddenly you don't have much of a juniors league left.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Sending him to Brandon might not be an issue like we were thinking going into the season. They are 2-0-1 and have scored 19 goals in their first 3 games.

Roger McQueen looks like he a big time player he could possibly play with, and some other kids have emerged on that team as well.

Also it’s pretty clear reading this thread who had not seen Danileson play before prior to camp/pre-season, lol.

Just looked this kid up, holy smokes! 6'5 190 as a 16 year old! 3gp, 4+4.

 

[norrisnick]

Havent they invested in these kids? Time, money, coaching, etc.

And?

 

[izlez]

I think Danielson is another good example of a player that would benefit more going to the AHL than CHL. The skill level he has demonstrated in the past month clearly shows he is beyond the CHL development. NHL should force an agreement to allow first round draft picks the option of going to the AHL.

I don't know, with him already having a defensive game and physicality, it could be be good for him to have a bit more time and space in juniors to develop offensive skills and instincts.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If you’re crying about Dvorsky just watch this.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

If you’re crying about Dvorsky just watch this.

zadina esque

 

[Gniwder]

Zetterberg

And how many years ago was that? If Danielson becomes anything close to Z, that would be amazing.

I have no idea why you bothered to mention Zadina or Ras those are both Holland picks. Nearly everyone on the board hates the Ras pick. The 2023 draft is one of the deepest in a long time. Danielson outplaying Kasper is more a disappointment in Kasper then it is Danielson excelling quite frankly.

Seider, got anymore brain busters?

So what you're saying is that Holland lowered my expectations out of top 10 picks. I would agree.

As for Seider, he wasn't impressive in his first preseason, and actually had a slow start in the AHL. The cool thing about the internet is that you can look stuff up. Seider thread:

Prospect Info: - 6th Overall Pick Moritz Seider, Defence, DEL

At what time do you see that? Marc Bergevin's Actual 2019 Draft List

forums.hfboards.com

I mean I'd rather pump Danielson than hyping up Cleveland and Phelan like some people here, lol. I see a prospect I actually like, and people shit on me. Probably the same people that thought Zadina was gonna be a superstar.

 

[sepster]

What is with tearing down Kasper to prop up Danielson? We don't need one to tank in order for the other to excel. I'm very excited to see both excel and move up the depth chart quickly. And for the Red Wings sake, it's best that they both exceed expectations and do so quickly.

Y'all crazy.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

That was a low percentage move right there. Not to pile on him based on that play, but there's parts of his game that don't scream super high end prospect to me. He really needs to work on separation speed if he wants to be a legit scoring threat.

For what some are pegging him as a "potential 1C", I don't think he's a major play driver nor does he have a level of deception to his game that makes him a big threat. Has a pretty good shot, but doesn't have incredible goal-scoring instincts - at least nothing that jumps off the page to me. I get a somewhat passenger vibe from him, in terms of offensive impact.

He seems to me what people have been projecting Danielson to be; a middle 6, possibly #2 center that can score goals and be reliable defensively. I do think he can be a good shutdown center though.

Don't mean to derail the thread but it really speaks volumes that Detroit went WHL over Sweden with this kid having gotten plenty of looks over last year. Then went back to Sweden to draft ASP at #17.

If you’re crying about Dvorsky just watch this.

 

[schuelma24]

That was a low percentage move right there. Not to pile on him based on that play, but there's parts of his game that don't scream super high end prospect to me. He really needs to work on separation speed if he wants to be a legit scoring threat.

For what some are pegging him as a "potential 1C", I don't think he's a major play driver nor does he have a level of deception to his game that makes him a big threat. Has a pretty good shot, but doesn't have incredible goal-scoring instincts - at least nothing that jumps off the page to me. I get a somewhat passenger vibe from him, in terms of offensive impact.

He seems to me what people have been projecting Danielson to be; a middle 6, possibly #2 center that can score goals and be reliable defensively. I do think he can be a good shutdown center though.

Don't mean to derail the thread but it really speaks volumes that Detroit went WHL over Sweden with this kid having gotten plenty of looks over last year. Then went back to Sweden to draft ASP at #17.

I've had a few beers and didn't see what you were quoting at first and I got really really defensive over what you were saying about my precious Danielson.


Anyways... carry on!

 

[Mister Ed]

He's getting reps in every situation, which is exciting.