PGT: 9/21 North America vs Sweden - North America wins 4-3 in OT but Sweden advances

[Chimpradamus]

OEL has been, is and will continue to be the most over rated 'elite dman' in the league.

That's not fair. Lidström struggled to perform well in his first outings for the national team too.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

MacKinnon took Lundqvist to school in Overtime, when the game was on the line.

What. A. Player.

 

[Ainec]

OEL has been, is and will continue to be the most over rated 'elite dman' in the league.

none of the Swedish D has looked impressive


I think it's part of the system

 

[Scotty B]

Would it really matter though? Sweden won against both Finland and Russia, shouldn't that be enough to win against any of them in a head-to-head race? Or is it the goals that count even then?

Suppose T NA did beat Swedes in regulation, NA finishes ahead of Swedes because of H2H if Russia loses to Fins, But if Russia wins in regulation , NA still finishes ahead of Swedes on goal differential...

So T NA to a man should have known YESTERDAY that all they needed today was a win in regulation...

Swedes doubtless knew YESTERDAY that a regulation loss, potentially resulting in a three way tie could be death for them depending on what happens 2morrow, that is to say, depending on Russia's margin of victory...

Obviously, in a 3 way tie, H2H goes out the window, so again it would come down to goal differential, meaning one of Russia or Sweden ( but not T NA ) would be out

GOT IT?

 

[Kritaren]

Team NA played Russia a day after their game with Finland

Yes they did. But Russia didn't get a day off after the Sweden game either.

 

[Scotty B]

Yes they did. But Russia didn't get a day off after the Sweden game either.

True but Russia played early game, while T NA played late game previous day...so bit of an advantage, presumably

 

[Kritaren]

MacKinnon took Lundqvist to school in Overtime, when the game was on the line.

What. A. Player.

And Lundqvist outplayed Team NA when it mattered the most.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

MacK one on one with a goalie is pretty sick

 

[EK47]

That's not fair. Lidström struggled to perform well in his first outings for the national team too.

Maybe it's not fair but OEL has played 2 whc's and one olympic tournament before this one. I actually thought he was kinda good today.

 

[ulvvf]

Karlsson is such a beauty to watch, not many d in sweden was good , but Karlsson is complete dominate. Easily the best dmen in the world. He is on a complete different level then the rest.

As I understand Edmonton needs another RD, would be fun seeing Karlsson and McDavid. Maybe can trade Larsson for Karlsson

 

[Mr Positive]

sigh, can you guys stop saying this? It's false. Had North America pulled their goalie and given up a goal then would be in almost the exactly same situation as now. If Finland won tomorrow by say 2, then it's a 3 way tie at 1-2, 2 points. It goes to goal difference and North America wins the goal difference. The only way North America doesn't win that goal difference was if Finland won by 7.

There was almost no risk in losing, the only 2 winning scenarios they have now that they wouldn't have had if they lost in regulation was if Finland wins in OT, or if Finland wins by 7 or more.

I see your point so I was wrong about them being eliminated today, but it would have still meant that Russia would only need 1 point from an OTL in order to advance. At least now, Russia needs to win. So it's not as simple as saying that it would go to a three way tie breaker. Even with the tie breaker, losing in regulation would give NA a +2 goal differential total, so Russia would advance just by getting +2 goal win against Finland, which isn't a stretch.

And again, pulling the goalie is a low percentage play, even on a team as loaded as NA in offensive skill. I get the logic of forcing a regulation win, but I'm not sure it's worth the downside of losing in reg.

 

[Team_Spirit]

MacK one on one with a goalie is pretty sick

front seat view of the GWG : http://www.tvasports.ca/2016/09/21/le-but-de-mackinnon-comme-si-vous-y-etiez

 

[Rebuilt]

Maybe it's not fair but OEL has played 2 whc's and one olympic tournament before this one.

Hes a good 2 way defender but he is NOT anywhere close to being the GOD the Arizona fans think he is.

I thinks its kind of endearing for a fanbase to love their guy but they take the prize for homer worship of any player in the league by their own fans.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

A coach who knows his teams needs to win in regulation to advance for sure likely relays this to his players and tries to go basically all out to get that regulation win since it was far far more beneficial than an OT win. They were clearly fine going to OT, no urgency at the end and Mackinnon said he thought they advanced with the OT win. They need to know ahead of time exactly what they need. That's pretty inexcusable. A bunch of us on here figured it out then if a staff of 10 people can't figure it out then they need to hire an 11th who knows how to figure these things out.

Hard to believe ,,, I mean they can't have missed that Russia beat them so thats a win for them and a loss for us. duh

 

[Del Preston]

Pretty unfortunate that McLellan never bothered to check the rules before the game. Because otherwise he would of realized that they would of been in an identical situation had they lost this game by 1 or 2 goals, and instead would have pulled the goalie to try to win in regulation.

How is getting to OT and going to 3 or 4pts an identical situation to losing in regulation and staying at 2pts?

NA loses in regulation = stay at 2pts and need Finland to win in regulation tomorrow
NA loses in OT = 3pts. Will advance unless Russia picks up a point tomorrow
NA wins in OT = 4pts. Will advance unless Russia wins tomorrow

North America winning in regulation would have been ideal, obviously. What ended up happening was the second best case and makes Russia's next game a must-win.

 

[Ainec]

Hes a good 2 way defender but he is NOT anywhere close to being the GOD the Arizona fans think he is.

I thinks its kind of endearing for a fanbase to love their guy but they take the prize for homer worship of any player in the league by their own fans.

a top 10 D is a god, especially for that team

He's the equivalent of McDavid with how much they defer the puck to him

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Lundqvist stole the game in the 2nd. Point blank opportunities and he stoned them. Happens.. Gibson was really scarey shakey in the first

 

[Canada4Gold]

How is getting to OT and going to 3 or 4pts an identical situation to losing in regulation and staying at 2pts?

NA loses in regulation = stay at 2pts and need Finland to win in regulation tomorrow
NA loses in OT = 3pts. Will advance unless Russia picks up a point tomorrow
NA wins in OT = 4pts. Will advance unless Russia wins tomorrow

Those bolded are the incidental situation just worded differently. The 3rd scenario(what happened) is slightly better given they can afford FIN to win in OT as well, but that scenario is probably 10% at best. Worth the risk to go hard try to win the game in regulation to lock the spot up IMO.

 

[Confucius]

And Lundqvist outplayed Team NA when it mattered the most.

Oh please, Sweden lost to a very young team who didn't even have their best Defencemen.

 

[CrypTic]

Does anybody know if the players are getting paid for this?

Do they get revenue sharing or jersey sales revenue?

The part that goes to the NHL is hockey-related revenue so it's split 50-50 between the players and the owners. That should include ticket sales, jersey sales, broadcast $$, etc. I'm pretty sure that's why the NHLPA agreed to the tournament. I don't know what the agreement with the European federations, clubs etc. who are participating or the IIHF is, though. Some of the money is probably going to them but I don't know anything about that.

 

[Nordic*]

OEL never manages to do what he does in the NHL, on the national team. Seems like he loses all confidence as soon as he puts on the jersey.

Hedman was the worst D today though. Not sure if he's playing through an injury after Komarov going after his knees, but something didn't look right in the way he skated and moved.

 

[Sorey*]

The Sedins and Karlsson cost Sweden the game, terrible effort.

Why does it matter? Sweden only needed the OT point. Team north america screwed up.

 

[spacemunky]

So Team NA dominates the Finns, loses by a goal to Russia after severely outplaying them and beats Sweden in OT, but possibly won't advance?

 

[leafsfan1234]

How is getting to OT and going to 3 or 4pts an identical situation to losing in regulation and staying at 2pts?

NA loses in regulation = stay at 2pts and need Finland to win in regulation tomorrow
NA loses in OT = 3pts. Will advance unless Russia picks up a point tomorrow
NA wins in OT = 4pts. Will advance unless Russia wins tomorrow

The only difference is that Finland would have needed to win in regulation instead of OT tomorrow... and Finland would of actually been motivated by a slim chance at advancing had we lost in regulation (they would of needed to beat Russia by about 6 goals but it would still be a chance).

 

[swiftwin]

lol, people arguing over Karlsson in a mickey mouse pre-season tournament

cute seeing the haters coming out of the woodwork for this one. especially when he was easily the best defenseman out there tonight (2 A's, +1 on the losing team).