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PGT: 9/21 North America vs Sweden - North America wins 4-3 in OT but Sweden advances

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Looked like T NA were playing to protect a one goal lead right from the getgo...which again probably comes down to what their coaches were saying to them in btwn periods...

They started on the pp and really they didn't look like they understood that this was a BIG chance to make it highly probable that they punched their ticket to the semis...

Again they never understood that they ( realistically ) needed to win in regulation...and that nursing a one goal lead was no good cause if it went to OT they're basically toast

I figured that out Yesterday...what's the excuse for their cough, cough braintrust not knowing this stuff?

Shameful if u ask me...
 
CantHaveTkachev said:
why are we assuming he didn't know the rules?
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A coach who knows his teams needs to win in regulation to advance for sure likely relays this to his players and tries to go basically all out to get that regulation win since it was far far more beneficial than an OT win. They were clearly fine going to OT, no urgency at the end and Mackinnon said he thought they advanced with the OT win. They need to know ahead of time exactly what they need. That's pretty inexcusable. A bunch of us on here figured it out then if a staff of 10 people can't figure it out then they need to hire an 11th who knows how to figure these things out.
 
vippe said:
NA certainly played less aggressive in the third than in previous periods, they didnt have that many chances in the last period. For once in this game, I was not nervous at all in the third once Sweden tied it.
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I have to disagree. Sweden was just playing shutdown hockey so that limited NA a bit, and before being tied, the game was more open because of course Sweden had to push for the equalizer. I can't recall a sequence where NA ate up the clock or didn't try for offense.

At any rate, NA still could not allow themselves to lose in regulation so it's not like they could have be extremely aggressive anyway.
 
Divine said:
Sucks that the best team in this group might not advance because of bad luck/goaltending.
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They have been the best team by far the first period every game. After that they couldnt keep up the same pace. They hurt themselfs because they couldnt keep it up more than 1 period and they arent good enough "defensivly" to protect leads. Incredible first periods every game tho. Damn fun to watch!
 
Divine said:
Sucks that the best team in this group might not advance because of bad luck/goaltending.
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Goaltending is a huge part of any team. It was a noted weakness for them at the start of the tournament. Hank showed us today why that's such a big part of winning hockey games
 
Hockey 4 Life said:
Even if the kids don't advance it's been a treat to watch them. Every player on this team has had dynamic moments and they have all played very well to great most of the tournament. I knew the forwards would be stellar but the group of kids on the backend blew me away. Every single one of those kids on the back end will mature into top flight corner stone defenders for their clubs. Glad I watched these games.
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Agreed. I think a lot of people feel this. Think people are just dissapointed because theres a chance the most excited team may get eliminated.
 
meldelaget said:
lol this is 3v3 hockey. This happens. Karlsson did the right thing jumping on that play. And it didnt even matter because they had already won the group so ofc he would jump on the play
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Yeah but it's HF, every chance you get, you get on Karlsson. Had Sedin clear the puck because he was 1st on it but lost his race for whatever reason, Karlsson is loose on a 2 on 1 and probably scores, would someone say "Karlsson was MacKinnon's men" of course not. Typical HF Boards.


2 assists, +1, Sedin loses puck battle along the boards right to a guy who passes it back to a guy on the backcheck. Every hockey player I know would've jumped in the play seeing Sedin first on the puck there.
 
Canada4Gold said:
A coach who knows his teams needs to win in regulation to advance for sure likely relays this to his players and tries to go basically all out to get that regulation win since it was far far more beneficial than an OT win. They were clearly fine going to OT, no urgency at the end and Mackinnon said he thought they advanced with the OT win. They need to know ahead of time exactly what they need. That's pretty inexcusable. A bunch of us on here figured it out then if a staff of 10 people can't figure it out then they need to hire an 11th who knows how to figure these things out.
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again, McDavid taking a penalty late scream "urgency" to me

not sure what you want them to do when all the Swedes need to do was coast into OT to assure themselves a spot in the Semis
 
Mr Positive said:
I have to disagree. Sweden was just playing shutdown hockey so that limited NA a bit, and before being tied, the game was more open because of course Sweden had to push for the equalizer. I can't recall a sequence where NA ate up the clock or didn't try for offense.

At any rate, NA still could not allow themselves to lose in regulation so it's not like they could have be extremely aggressive anyway.
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Look at the situations now v. the situation had they lost by 1 in regulation

Now: Need Finland to win

Regulation loss by 1: Need Finland to win in regulation by 6 or less

Finland was never going to win by 7, so the only benefit now v. a regulation loss was now they can still advance with a Finland OT win.

So many people assume they were out if they lost. Not true, Finland needs to win anyway now. Had they lost and Finland won in regulation it was a 3 way tie and NA had the GD over Russia and Finland unless Finland won by 7.

The reward(advancing to SF) far outweighed the risk(losing in regulation and losing that Finland OT scenario)
 
Tomas W said:
A pretty big chance too. Russia SHOULD win. But you never know.
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I agree. Historically, Russia doesnt show up in the huge games, but to their credit, when they get a gift handed to them on a silver platter, they rarely let it go

Finns will play hard, but they are the inferior team with nothing to gain
 
Tomas W said:
A pretty big chance too. Russia SHOULD win. But you never know.
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Yeah I think Finland has had Russias number in recent tournaments but

1. Finland hasnt looked good in this tournament

2. Finland has nothing to play for other than pride

I mean I think number 2 is more important than people are giving it credit for on this board, but good chance Russia wins tomorrow as you said.
 
They're the fastest team and best at moving the puck around and rushing the puck I think I've ever seen. That includes any team Canada ever assembled. That doesn't mean they're the best overall but they're not too far off. Without those injuries they could have won it all and may still.
 
CantHaveTkachev said:
again, McDavid taking a penalty late scream "urgency" to me

not sure what you want them to do when all the Swedes need to do was coast into OT to assure themselves a spot in the Semis
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The last 2 and a half minutes North America was coasting as well. Because they thought a win in OT would be just as good.

Obviously it's difficult to score on a team that is just playing for a tie, but you have to play with far more urgency in that situation.
 
I thought Eichel was one of the best players on the ice in the latter half of the game. Finally looked confident in himself like he usually does. His backcheck in OT when Rielly broke his stick was huge.
 
Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If NA gave up a goal while trying for the win regulation, people are on here saying they should have just played for OT and wait to see what happens tomorrow. I'm not making excuses for allegedly no one on the team aware of the tie-breaker though.
 
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