Post-Game Talk: #9 - 10/27/19 | bruins @ RANGERS

[NYR Viper]

I have less issue with the team losing or getting blown out. If we objectively look at this roster, this is to be expected. What to me is more concerning is this recurring theme that the team doesn't attempt to inflict their will on the other team or push back. Perhaps that will come with time but that would be Lesson #1 for Quinn to push if I am Gorton.

I would also send Andersson down to the AHL. It's time. Playing with Haley and Smith on the 4th line is hilariously bad. If we don't think he is capable of playing on the 3rd line then send him down to play big minutes and develop his overall game. What is the rush with him?

I'm beginning to think Kaako may need something similar

 

[eco's bones]

I think if I remember correctly that last year Lias DID exactly the same type of hit on Bergeron that was done on Zibs last night....they chased Lias all around the City that night while we watched and did nothing .

As I mentioned it's in the Bruins DNA. They have been one of the most successful teams for a long while and they always consistently defend each other. The Rangers had physical guys last night--Haley, Lemieux and Smith for instance but it's not really a learned thing for us---we're not consistent.

 

[NYR Viper]

As I mentioned it's in the Bruins DNA. They have been one of the most successful teams for a long while and they always consistently defend each other. The Rangers had physical guys last night--Haley, Lemieux and Smith for instance but it's not really a learned thing for us---we're not consistent.

Too many guys who are willing to take what the other teams are dictating.

 

[Nopuckluck]

Too many guys who are willing to take what the other teams are dictating.

Amen. symptomatic of our society and the city the team plays in

jets Patriots last week same thing. Late in the game
pats still throwing the ball up 33-0. Take the 15 yards and LAY BRADY OUT COLD

 

[eco's bones]

Too many guys who are willing to take what the other teams are dictating.

The Bruins in essence--like the Blues have a limited number of skill guys. The ones they do have play with grit but going deeper into the lineup--it's players filling and accepting roles they're given but they all have each others backs which is also a trust thing.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It has been mentioned in this string about character.Character and playing hard I think go hand in hand.I will point out that character is important if you need an example look at the NFL and the team I cant stand NE Patriots.They build with that in mind AB is a perfect example.Lasted one week

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

To me it’s a lot less about effort and a lot more about playing with zero structure.

there are no layers of support if someone makes a mistake.

there’s zero gap control our D back up to the circles every rush

our forward are out at the far blue lines on breakouts.

this is a young team with a coaching staff that makes it worse with their lack of a system

Couldn't agree more with this.

Quinn can talk about effort all he wants but that's not the issue here. There is zero structure.

Obviously the roster isn't great but playing with more structure and a tighter system and this team would be much better right now with the same exact players.

 

[Kovalev27]

All you have to do is look at the islanders with a revolving door of goalies significantly less talent than we have and just rattling off wins because of good coaching and structure. We have neither.

isles have way more bottom 6 guys in their lineup very little offensive talent and their blueline I mean those guys aren’t special. But they stick to the system every night and win.

 

[NYR Viper]

All you have to do is look at the islanders with a revolving door of goalies significantly less talent than we have and just rattling off wins because of good coaching and structure. We have neither.

isles have way more bottom 6 guys in their lineup very little offensive talent and their blueline I mean those guys aren’t special. But they stick to the system every night and win.

Young players make mistakes which make the system look poorly. I really don't think this is entirely on the coach. If this team was the Tampa Bay Lightning in terms of skill-level and they were performing as they are I would be more concerned with the coach.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

All you have to do is look at the islanders with a revolving door of goalies significantly less talent than we have and just rattling off wins because of good coaching and structure. We have neither.

isles have way more bottom 6 guys in their lineup very little offensive talent and their blueline I mean those guys aren’t special. But they stick to the system every night and win.

You can say that about the majority of the teams in the NHL....Debbies are another good example.

 

[ponytrekker]

Amen. symptomatic of our society and the city the team plays in

jets Patriots last week same thing. Late in the game
pats still throwing the ball up 33-0. Take the 15 yards and LAY BRADY OUT COLD

Jets have one guy who’d do this.

 

[hella rights]

All you have to do is look at the islanders with a revolving door of goalies significantly less talent than we have and just rattling off wins because of good coaching and structure. We have neither.

isles have way more bottom 6 guys in their lineup very little offensive talent and their blueline I mean those guys aren’t special. But they stick to the system every night and win.

I’d also say Vegas is another prime example, especially in their first season.

 

[True Blue]

Too many guys who are willing to take what the other teams are dictating.

That is a mentality. And I agree that it is an issue that needs to be weeded out.

 

[NYR Viper]

You can say that about the majority of the teams in the NHL....Debbies are another good example.

I’d also say Vegas is another prime example, especially in their first season.

Both of these teams, while they have young players, didn't have the same quantity or age of young players like this team.

 

[NYR Viper]

That is a mentality. And I agree that it is an issue that needs to be weeded out.

This has been an issue for quite some time. It's part of the reason why I could somewhat understand having a guy like Haley in the organization. I'm hopeful the Wolfpack are also working on this same issue

 

[CasusBelli]

I have less issue with the team losing or getting blown out. If we objectively look at this roster, this is to be expected. What to me is more concerning is this recurring theme that the team doesn't attempt to inflict their will on the other team or push back. Perhaps that will come with time but that would be Lesson #1 for Quinn to push if I am Gorton.

I would also send Andersson down to the AHL. It's time. Playing with Haley and Smith on the 4th line is hilariously bad. If we don't think he is capable of playing on the 3rd line then send him down to play big minutes and develop his overall game. What is the rush with him?

I'm beginning to think Kaako may need something similar

Agreed fully. But who would replace two roster players? We’re stretched as it is ... or are we resurrecting Guderian and Patton and reactivating the tank squad?

 

[NYR Viper]

Agreed fully. But who would replace two roster players? We’re stretched as it is ... or are we resurrecting Guderian and Patton and reactivating the tank squad?

I think that I would begin looking at other depth options from Hartford. O'Regan, DiGiuseppe, Fogarty, Lettieri, Nieves, Beleskey, etc. Begin giving a few of them 5 game try-outs to see who can fill a role.

It's more about developing them properly, not winning 3 more NHL games this season.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

One step closer to Byfield. It's a long journey.

 

[The S5]

There aren't any systems that work without talent and the players dedication to performing their job. How else would you explain coaches who have been successful with certain teams and not with others? If they had a superior system, it would work everywhere.
Fact is, most systems are very similar. It is widely known that certain coaches run the same 5-7 drills for their entire career. Saying that Quinn's system is somehow inferior isn't really accurate.

 

[will1066]

How's Mika doing?

 

[offdacrossbar]

the B's are a veteran team with experience for days. they are solidly coached and they have one of the best lines in hockey with bergeron- one of the top 2 way players in the league and pasta an elite sniper.

their defense is sound and their goaltending is solid if not spectacular. they play a system that is both attacking and at the same time they dont give up much. they are again cup contenders

if we are using that team as a measuring stick then we aren't nearly good enough but thats to be expected. plus we lost mika and had no fast.

we again give away too many shots and dont take nearly enough of them-esp. good ones. we miss the net too often and we can't convert easy gimmes. they are holding those sticks so tight.

not gonna lose much sleep over this one and in fact, i liked the way the kids came back and responded late. there was no quit in this bunch even though they were clearly overmatched.

kreider scored again but was a -4. kakko -4 hajek -4 and jake -3. ugh.

kakko looks overmatched. he has glimpses but at this point i worry about his confidence being shattered. you can see the talent. kid just needs a breakout game. hes close.

andersson 13 mins but zero shots. as much has i want to like him, he does zero. needs more ice with better mates. when he does play, he doesnt have anything "it" to his game.

the good news. staal was a D low 16:57 toi

ADA team high toi and close 2nd in PP toi to jake.

ADA looked good on the PP1 with 2 primarys. i would try ADA and jake TOGETHER on the PP1 and drop kreider out. ADA would act as a rover who move all over while trouba can be the trigger guy moved off the point.

ADA/jake
panarin/mika/kakko

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There aren't any systems that work without talent and the players dedication to performing their job. How else would you explain coaches who have been successful with certain teams and not with others? If they had a superior system, it would work everywhere.
Fact is, most systems are very similar. It is widely known that certain coaches run the same 5-7 drills for their entire career. Saying that Quinn's system is somehow inferior isn't really accurate.

One of the things that got brought up before he was hired, by the people who were fans of his teams, was that he would probably need to be surrounded by assistants who can help scheme up a good system to succeed.

So I don’t think questioning it is that far out of left field

 

[effen]

Some epic gaslighting going on with some posters telling everyone no, it's not a lack of effort or passion you plainly see on a shift by shift basis, it's 'structure' that makes them do lazy circles, turn away from hits at an alarming rate, and hot potato the puck in the face of any pressure.

 

[Kovalev27]

Definitely not just about last night. Listen I’m the furthest thing from an analytics guy but the numbers in every category are so strikingly bad from the next worst it’s scary. And the eye test tells you the same. We are BADLY coached and actually have a lot more talent than teams performing way better.

with a young team we should be even more structured.

theres no reason our Defense can’t hold the line. Everyone minus Staal is a very good skater on that back end. They shouldn’t be backing to the circles. Gap control is taught at like midget level. That should be simple enough.

Kakko is 18 obviously he’s going to make mistakes but the other guys? Are there any rookies in the top 12? No. They can play structured hockey.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Yo DeAngelo is so good.

So is Fox.

I like Trouba, but again, I question the dollar commitment at a position that wasn't a need.

Yeah. And the commitment to Trouba makes it harder to keep both Fox & ADA, who are good and cheap.