Post-Game Talk: #9 - 10/27/19 | bruins @ RANGERS

[Oscar Lindberg]

but thats not at all what he's saying...he's saying that it doesn't matter how much skill you have if you don't work hard. has nothing to do with playing without talent. its about everyone in the NHL has talent and no one on this team is so super talented that they can succeed without working hard.

My point being with my post is this isn’t lower level hockey where you can consistently outwork the other team and win, in spite of a lack of talent.

The way Quinn speaks sometimes make it seem like he’s still coaching at BU.

The team wasn’t going to win against Boston tonight because they competed harder, when the truth is Boston is just better in every way.

 

[aufheben]

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Not sure how his reaction after the goal has anything to do with him getting run over, unless you're saying that him falling back into the net was him being a *****. If you're saying that then I just disagree with you, that was clearly him being knocked back by Pastrnak's momentum directly into his head and shoulder causing him to fall back with no embellishment or anything.

And I mean the first sentence in your post above is kind of missing my point a little bit. I'm saying in a situation like this the player attempting to make a reasonable attempt to avoid the goalie shouldn't even matter. If he is thrown into the goalie as a result of a foul from a defender then it should be no goal and a penalty on the defender, not a good goal because of the foul committed by the defender which is how they call it now.

I just think the whole spirit of the rule is that the goalie should always be afforded the opportunity to try and stop the puck and calling a play like this or similar type situations where a player makes contact with the goalie as a result of a defender fouling them, calling plays like this good goals seems incongruous with the entire purpose of the rule in my opinion.

Technicalities are part of not the exception to a given rule. In this case the player was tripped, and did not have the oipprtunty to make an attempt to avoid which nullifies the claim to disallow the goal.

Point 2 is he did lose his shit, and he was f***ing rattled the rest of the game.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Technicalities are part of not the exception to a given rule. In this case the player was tripped, and did not have the oipprtunty to make an attempt to avoid which nullifies the claim to disallow the goal.

Point 2 is he did lose his ****, and he was ****ing rattled the rest of the game.

Well I guess that means I disagree with the way the goalie interference rule is being enforced.

And yeah Hank obviously came undone after that goal, I’m not defending that.

 

[17futurecap]

I just noticed it tonight but there's a clear pattern of prospects not in our possession flourishing and guys stagnating when they come here. Look at Kravtsov. Analysts couldn't get enough of this guy after his season in the KHL. Comes into our system and doesn't last four games.

The whole Kravtsov thing reeks of a kid wanting to play his game and us yelling at him about "compete harder" or whatever. Our development is suffering because we're developing characters, not hockey players.

Our coaches at both the NHL and AHL levels valuing these things is no accident. The first word of Gorton's mouth any time he describes the rebuild is "character."

You know how you develop character? By having a good system for playing to buy into and earning their trust but getting the most out of each unique skill-set. Not by screaming at them to skate harder while they're getting beat.

Brett Howden is a young player in this league. Instead of being rewarded for breaking a sweat while he chases after the guy who just embarrassed him, he should be learning to play in a way that he's controlling the game instead of chasing it.

Kakko has all the ability in the world and looks like he has absolutely no confidence because instead of teaching him how to play at this level, we're asking him to do nebulous "hustle" things.

Ditto Kravtsov.

It's not that competing hard isn't important but if it's not harnessed, if it's not within a system, if it's not a means to an end, it's meaningless. They're babies. They'll learn how to be professionals. Right now, our job is to get the most out of their games. Quinn, based on his comments tonight, seems to have no interest in that.

Developing character first and ability second is how we're going to end up with a team of Manny Malhotra's and Ryan Strome's.

Agree with most of this, almost feel like this is an NHL problem as a whole. We literally see guys sent to the AHL because they can only be in a top-6 role. Maybe if the league stopped playing plugs on the 4th, we would see more skill and more scoring. Energy, gritt, whatever word anyone wants to use to describe a player just means they lack skill.

 

[egelband]

I agree they appear to be playing awful hockey right now. But I’d also reserve any judgment for around the halfway mark. It’s still too early with a very convoluted roster. The guys with experience aren’t very talented and the talented guys don’t have experience. (Broadly speaking).

 

[Chimpradamus]

Well I guess that means I disagree with the way the goalie interference rule is being enforced.

And yeah Hank obviously came undone after that goal, I’m not defending that.

Add me for one who disagrees with his the GI rule is being applied. He was inches away from ending Lundqvist's career (blowing out the left knee completely), yet it was a good goal. Lol.

Then I always remind myself, this isn't a sports league, this is an entertainment industry. They want goals and emotions.

The player doesn't need to make " a reasonable attempt to avoid contact" if he was flying in the air after being tripped. Lundqvist could've tried to stop the play by doing his veteran remove the mask instead of losing his ****ing ****.

He's a mortal for the first time in his chiseled face life, and he was being a bit of a *****.

I would like to see how composured you would be if someone was inches from taking out your entire knee/ leg. That was scary.

Lundqvist's blame for this loss is overblown. When the team plays without a system and just skates around like headless chickens, it's very difficult to play as a goalie. It's not like Georgiev could stop the onslaught either. It doesn't matter who you have in net when the team defends like this.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Well I guess that means I disagree with the way the goalie interference rule is being enforced.

And yeah Hank obviously came undone after that goal, I’m not defending that.

I understand what you mean.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Add me for one who disagrees with his the GI rule is being applied. He was inches away from ending Lundqvist's career (blowing out the left knee completely), yet it was a good goal. Lol.

Then I always remind myself, this isn't a sports league, this is an entertainment industry. They want goals and emotions.

I would like to see how composured you would be if someone was inches from taking out your entire knee/ leg. That was scary.

Lundqvist's blame for this loss is overblown. When the team plays without a system and just skates around like headless chickens, it's very difficult to play as a goalie. It's not like Georgiev could stop the onslaught either. It doesn't matter who you have in net when the team defends like this.

g

Lundqvist has kept his cool for well over a decade.

Part of the game is keeping it cool.

 

[haohmaru]

Well, that was ugly.

Where's the "None" option on 3 stars of the game poll?

 

[JHS]

At the very least, they need to bring in a new defensive coach who can work with the team to learn basic defensive fundamentals.

Could not agree more. It’s acfually not a talent issue it’s an execution game plan issue. The rangers are defending in such an antiquated way( hmmmm maybe because they have a defense coach whose heyday was 10 plus years ago!). They just consistently retreat into the zone, defensemen just keep backing and they won’t stand up and make any sort of defensive move until the tops of the circles. It’s literally unwatchable and also clearly not working. Look if guys in an internet’s forum notice these things I’m sure the players do as well.

Secondly, I don’t really ever advocate for a coaching change but this entire staff is really in over there heads. The insane decisions that make no sense are just the tip of the iceberg. Last night for a stretch Quinn and crew had Tony and Fox out there as a pair. What’s the problem with that??? They are both right handed shots and should be playing on opposite pairs. So what ended up happening, Tony, who started out on the left side, took it upon himself to switch sides with Fox during the shift( Tony went to the right side) and made that beautiful pas to Buch for his goal. How many coaching breakdowns need to occur?!?! Tony plays great on the right side of the ice. He’s playing his best hockey over there but the coach puts him on the left side just to shake it up??! Please it’s not putting players in position to be successful— simple as that.

Second example of awful coaching yesterday— the power play. He moves Tony to the first group and Tony continually feeds Buch the puck and Buch can’t do anything with it. So much is wrong here! Panarian is not touching the puck and he’s the best playmaker on the ice. Give him the puck and allow him to create offense. He’s twice the player Buch is but if you go and rewatch every power play, he’s touching the puck almost never! That’s just plain terrible and easy for a coach to correct if it’s pointed out to the team. However, because every powerplay was exactly the same, and has been ineffective ever since early in the season, I have to imagine it’s not being pointed out.

Quinn and crew have almost nothing in terms of experienced players to work with which means coaching is even more important than ever. Again, if guys on the internet are noticing these obvious issues then I sure do hope people who know way more about the game than I do are also noticing.

 

[leetch99]

To me when someone bangs up your best player you need to go out and send a message. The Bruins did that last year with Andersson. That's in that team's DNA. On top of all that we were getting embarrassed and sometimes you just got to let loose a little. So I think Quinn is right--that the Rangers didn't show enough fight tonight.

I think if I remember correctly that last year Lias DID exactly the same type of hit on Bergeron that was done on Zibs last night....they chased Lias all around the City that night while we watched and did nothing .

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So funny. They literally played their best game of the year the game prior, against the team with the most points in the entire league coming in...

Then, VK decides to go back to Russia, they play a game where they lose their top center in the first period, Hank goes nuts, and they lose 7-4 to the team with the third most points in the entire league...

During a rebuilding year...

And the sky is falling once more.

I’ve got a bad taste in my mouth right now too, but perspective, people. This too shall pass.

 

[ponytrekker]

Well I guess that means I disagree with the way the goalie interference rule is being enforced.

And yeah Hank obviously came undone after that goal, I’m not defending that.

Coach should have called a TO after 2-1.

 

[ponytrekker]

Oh let’s bring in new coaches Less then 20 games into the season. Yeah cause that’ll happen.

Do you want to teach these guys or not?

 

[ponytrekker]

Could not agree more. It’s acfually not a talent issue it’s an execution game plan issue. The rangers are defending in such an antiquated way( hmmmm maybe because they have a defense coach whose heyday was 10 plus years ago!). They just consistently retreat into the zone, defensemen just keep backing and they won’t stand up and make any sort of defensive move until the tops of the circles. It’s literally unwatchable and also clearly not working. Look if guys in an internet’s forum notice these things I’m sure the players do as well.

Secondly, I don’t really ever advocate for a coaching change but this entire staff is really in over there heads. The insane decisions that make no sense are just the tip of the iceberg. Last night for a stretch Quinn and crew had Tony and Fox out there as a pair. What’s the problem with that??? They are both right handed shots and should be playing on opposite pairs. So what ended up happening, Tony, who started out on the left side, took it upon himself to switch sides with Fox during the shift( Tony went to the right side) and made that beautiful pas to Buch for his goal. How many coaching breakdowns need to occur?!?! Tony plays great on the right side of the ice. He’s playing his best hockey over there but the coach puts him on the left side just to shake it up??! Please it’s not putting players in position to be successful— simple as that.

Second example of awful coaching yesterday— the power play. He moves Tony to the first group and Tony continually feeds Buch the puck and Buch can’t do anything with it. So much is wrong here! Panarian is not touching the puck and he’s the best playmaker on the ice. Give him the puck and allow him to create offense. He’s twice the player Buch is but if you go and rewatch every power play, he’s touching the puck almost never! That’s just plain terrible and easy for a coach to correct if it’s pointed out to the team. However, because every powerplay was exactly the same, and has been ineffective ever since early in the season, I have to imagine it’s not being pointed out.

Quinn and crew have almost nothing in terms of experienced players to work with which means coaching is even more important than ever. Again, if guys on the internet are noticing these obvious issues then I sure do hope people who know way more about the game than I do are also noticing.

Pretty solid take. Also teaching basic stuff like boxing guys out in the danger areas hell -- even not totally losing them -- just doesn't happen.

 

[ponytrekker]

Quinn could say hockey is played on ice and you guys would take issue with it.

Well, really only half the ice last night, but watevers.

 

[JHS]

My point being with my post is this isn’t lower level hockey where you can consistently outwork the other team and win, in spite of a lack of talent.

The way Quinn speaks sometimes make it seem like he’s still coaching at BU.

The team wasn’t going to win against Boston tonight because they competed harder, when the truth is Boston is just better in every way.

Could not agree more This post and @Machinehead post from last page about Quinn are the main problem. NHL guys see right through this junk, especially when the coach has 0 credibility and is making consistent basic coaching mistakes. I hope he actually coaches at practice-- these guys need X's and O's more than "win one for the gipper" type messages.

 

[Nopuckluck]

The Bergeron hit was clean BUT winning teams don’t just sit there and take it like that early in the season especially. Other teams take notice

THE REST OF THE GAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO TRYING TO END ONE OF BOSTONS BEST PLAYERS CAREERS

 

[Nopuckluck]

I think if I remember correctly that last year Lias DID exactly the same type of hit on Bergeron that was done on Zibs last night....they chased Lias all around the City that night while we watched and did nothing .

THIS TIMES 1000000000

 

[Deleted member 23124]

The best hit of the night by the Rangers was made by Lundqvist.

 

[Raspewtin]

laughed off the ice for the the 7th(?) time this year

i have absolutely nothing good to say about this team. the worst fundamental hockey i’ve seen at the NHL level since the 2015 Sabres

 

[Kovalev27]

To me it’s a lot less about effort and a lot more about playing with zero structure.

there are no layers of support if someone makes a mistake.

there’s zero gap control our D back up to the circles every rush

our forward are out at the far blue lines on breakouts.

this is a young team with a coaching staff that makes it worse with their lack of a system

 

[The S5]

Did they put Bergeron on the 4th line when he was 20 because he didn't run after guys hard enough?

Are you comparing Bergeron with Lias?

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers are awful. Do you really see this team making a major improvement this season? Their schedule gets tougher. 15 games in 28 days in November. They have two west coast trips in December and early January. Their schedule in February and Marches is brutal. The coach is a moron.