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Post-Game Talk: #9 - 10/27/19 | bruins @ RANGERS

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Machinehead said:
And yet we're letting Quinn gaslight us into thinking the structure is fine.
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Quinn can have a bad structure that gets them to like 47% 5-on-5 CF% over time AND have that deficiency be dwarfed by lazy, cowardly play from a bunch of type-B personalities.

You saw the *literal* game before that if the team kinda buys in they look average and can be competitive. I don't understand how you can then immediately see them put up ~no fight and then conclude its the system.
 
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Machinehead said:
You know, for an organization that won't shut up about character and effort, doesn't it seem to come up every year that we're disappointed in that department?

Maybe that's because it happens organically by playing together in a system with an accountable coaching staff. There's something we haven't had since 2013.

The Rangers think it comes from running out of position and playing terrible vets.
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You can't be serious. Go back are read what you wrote and feel shame.
 
I mean, there are some pretty glaring holes in Quinn's system, effort or not.

They repeatedly give up the neutral zone and let opposing teams just skate in.

That isn't an effort problem. That is a structure problem.
 
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Machinehead said:
You know, for an organization that won't shut up about character and effort, doesn't it seem to come up every year that we're disappointed in that department?

Maybe that's because it happens organically by playing together in a system with an accountable coaching staff. There's something we haven't had since 2013.

The Rangers think it comes from running out of position and playing terrible vets.
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When people say they want "effort" it seems like what they they really want is players skating around as hard as possible at all times. That's it. It never seems to be linked in any way to execution. Which is bizarre. They would happily watch a bunch of incompetents as long as they were being incompetent at high speeds.
 
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I don't know if it's such a lack of talent, lack of structure or just what.

To me, they play scared as soon as something bad happens.

They didn't exactly play well in the first period, but got a lucky goal from Haley, and they finished the first playing with a little bit of confidence.

Then the second starts with the horrific non-call on Hank, and the bottom falls out. Give up two quick goals, and they revert to playing scared. That's probably more an issue of youth and inexperience more than anything else.
 
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McRanger said:
When people say they want "effort" it seems like what they they really want is players skating around as hard as possible at all times. That's it. It never seems to be linked in any way to execution. Which is bizarre. They would happily watch a bunch of incompetents as long as they were being incompetent at high speeds.
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Pretty much, and it seems like this is what Quinn wants, which is scary.
 
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effen said:
Quinn can have a bad structure that gets them to like 47% 5-on-5 CF% over time AND have that deficiency be dwarfed by lazy, cowardly play from a bunch of type-B personalities.

You saw the *literal* game before that if the team kinda buys in they look average and can be competitive. I don't understand how you can then immediately see them put up ~no fight and then conclude its the system.
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But they sucked against Buffalo too. Their xG was under 2 and they scored 6. It was probably the worst performance by a goaltender all season.

In fact, they've pretty much sucked in every game. Nothing was unique about last night except maybe that it was the Bruins.

The S5 said:
You can't be serious. Go back are read what you wrote and feel shame.
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Seemed like an even better take the second time. I'm great.
 
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We traded Nash because he was a B-type personality. We fired AV because he was a B-type personality. We turned on Zuccarello because he was sulking. We traded Miller because he was a problem in the room. This entire rebuild has been predicated on character.

Lo and behold, the "character" problem is getting worse. Maybe the team just f***ing sucks at hockey.
 
We have some holes, but the team is still underperforming relative to it's on paper quality.

That requires some alternate explanation
 
Fitzy said:
We have some holes, but the team is still underperforming relative to it's on paper quality.

That requires some alternate explanation
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They don't play a system is the alternate explanation. As others have pointed out, they surrender the neutral zone on just about every play and let teams waltz into the zone. They literally don't defend.

Quinn is just AV without the snarky face.
 
Machinehead said:
They don't play a system is the alternate explanation. As others have pointed out, they surrender the neutral zone on just about every play and let teams waltz into the zone. They literally don't defend.

Quinn is just AV without the snarky face.
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Don't forget the gum chewing!
 
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As I've always said, I often didn't agree with Torts, but I got Torts. It was an ugly team playing ugly hockey and they clearly tried hard at it.

You don't have to like it but it was an ethos.

The first two years of AV we sort of still had that structure but moved into a more counter-attacking style and for a couple of years it really worked.

What does this team actually do since 2015-16? How would you describe the way they play to somebody who knows hockey but has never seen the Rangers? You can't.

That's the problem.

If guys are going to give effort, they need a system to pour it into.
 
Machinehead said:
We traded Nash because he was a B-type personality. We fired AV because he was a B-type personality. We turned on Zuccarello because he was sulking. We traded Miller because he was a problem in the room. This entire rebuild has been predicated on character.

Lo and behold, the "character" problem is getting worse. Maybe the team just ****ing sucks at hockey.
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Now your on to something. I would add to the end of the sentence, "right now".
 
Machinehead said:
They don't play a system is the alternate explanation. As others have pointed out, they surrender the neutral zone on just about every play and let teams waltz into the zone. They literally don't defend.

Quinn is just AV without the snarky face.
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Is your contention that Quinn doesn't teach a system(s)? If that were fact, he would be fired tomorrow.
 
Machinehead said:
Then what are we talking about effort for?

And why can't the coach develop their hockey ability or at the very least, accentuate their strengths?
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Because even the best, or most talented teams, need effort to win consistently. Hockey is a beautiful game when everything is flowing, but the fact is that hockey games are won/lost in very small areas. Lose your battles, lose the game.
 
The S5 said:
Because even the best, or most talented teams, need effort to win consistently. Hockey is a beautiful game when everything is flowing, but the fact is that hockey games are won/lost in very small areas. Lose your battles, lose the game.
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So we lost last night because of effort and not because we don't have a defensive structure, even though you just admitted the team sucks?
 
The S5 said:
That is a question for Quinn. I'm sure he has systems for each zone, PP, PK etc.. My guess is they aren't dissimilar to most systems being taught in the NHL.
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He's coached here for 12 months. If you can't give me a straight answer on what the team's system is, we don't have one.
 
Machinehead said:
So we lost last night because of effort and not because we don't have a defensive structure, even though you just admitted the team sucks?
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So, I don't understand what you are getting at. The team lost last night because they got outworked by a better team, not a better system.
 
The problems are not mutually exclusive. It's effort, structure, and opponent's skill and talent level. The Bruins are a superior team. I will venture to say they instinctively backed up because of the Bruins' skill level. This team right now does not win many battles, due to effort. due to small-ice skill, (and which I don't think is lost on the players), so they back up rather than try to stand up.
 
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Machinehead said:
He's coached here for 12 months. If you can't give me a straight answer on what the team's system is, we don't have one.
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Don't be ignorant. Every NHL, minor professional, college coach has systems, EVERY SINGLE ONE.
I must have missed the David Quinn "Here are my systems" podcast.
 
The S5 said:
Don't be ignorant. Every NHL, minor professional, college coach has systems, EVERY SINGLE ONE.
I must have missed the David Quinn "Here are my systems" podcast.
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We the other team has the puck, everyone's a goaltender.

I just explained Torts' defense in ten words.

What's Quinn's system?
 
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