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Prospect Info: #8OA, Marco Kasper

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Pavels Dog said:
Highly doubt Lindholm will all of a sudden find consistency at that level of production. I'd be surprised if he's averaging more than 50-60 points for the duration of that kind of contract, making him significantly overpaid.
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I guess money is perspective in this case. I rather see 8.5 million on Lindholm than spread out between three guys like Holl/Maata/Kostin. who cost the same. Lots of people thought similar things about Compher and he's on pace for another career year (50-60 points).

Can't find a Lindholm within the organization. I could probably find someone within the organization or straight up on waivers at some point as "effective" as those three filling similar roles they provide on cheap rookie deals or vet min.

Spending money on a guy like Lindholm(not necessarily him) doesn't prohibit the Red Wings from paying Seider or Raymond either in the future. Heck they're rolling with an extra 5 million now. Outside of just having money anyways, guys like Chiarot/Copp will roll off in a few years to fill holes, or resigning's...
 
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Snuggs said:
If it gets me Elias Lindholm,(with a resigning) I'm still launching this guy out of a cannon. :dunno:

If I need a player like him(Kasper) maybe Joe Veleno is turning out to be the fit. He's a guy that's really impressed me this season. I thought he was busto for sure last year. Maybe he wants another contract... but hey, he's doing really well. Gotta give it up to him.

Kasper isn't impressing me, and I want to like him. ( I wanna like every single one of the Red Wings prospects lol. )

Oh... I vacationed in France(Parris)... am I pseudo Parisian now?


Serious note: I don't see it but how good do people think Kapser is. Player comparison; Points, role? Bryan Rust? IDK?
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Player comp to me is Landeskog / Eriksson Ek / Kessler. He’s a modern power forward, does everything you need a player to do. He’s not quite strong enough to play the game he wants to play, especially at the AHL level. He’s going to be a very important player for this franchise, especially as Larkin loses a step.
 
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Idk, I mean, understand every one of those players you mentioned stepped into the NHL at 19 and produced...

Our guy is trending towards 30 points in the AHL. He's quite frankley playing more like Adam Erne or Jacob de la Rose
 
Snuggs said:
Idk, I mean, understand every one of those players you mentioned stepped into the NHL at 19 and produced...

Our guy is trending towards 30 points in the AHL. He's quite frankley playing more like Adam Erne or Jacob de la Rose
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5 points in the last 4 games. But he’s the next Erne. Ok.
 
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I watched him for the first time in a couple of weeks this afternoon. The demise of Marco Kasper has been grossly exaggerated. There are some growing pains for sure but he isn't a flawed prospect. I like that they are giving him proper responsibility by actually playing him at center (not easy at his age in the AHL). I liked his game off of the puck in the neutral zone and defensive zone. He needs, however, to get a bit quicker to read the play offensively. He still very much projects as a center with his size, skating and physicality. He was fine but not remarkable with the puck. I was expecting him to look a bit more out of place.
 
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Snuggs said:
If it gets me Elias Lindholm,(with a resigning) I'm still launching this guy out of a cannon. :dunno:

If I need a player like him(Kasper) maybe Joe Veleno is turning out to be the fit. He's a guy that's really impressed me this season. I thought he was busto for sure last year. Maybe he wants another contract... but hey, he's doing really well. Gotta give it up to him.

Kasper isn't impressing me, and I want to like him. ( I wanna like every single one of the Red Wings prospects lol. )

Oh... I vacationed in France(Parris)... am I pseudo Parisian now?


Serious note: I don't see it but how good do people think Kapser is. Player comparison; Points, role? Bryan Rust? IDK?
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Had this discussion with someone in another thread.

Lindholm turns 29 next week and apart from one ridiculous season playing with Gaudreau and Tkachuk he’s always produced like a 2nd line center. His numbers right now are comparable to Compher, on pace for 20/40. Though I agree he’s more offensively gifted, that’s not worth the difference of 3.5mil to me.

He’s lookin to cash out. Why do we want to fill the 2-hole for the next 6-8 years when we’ve drafted centers for that slot?Granted, You’re gonna be better earlier with Lindholm but you’ll likely regret it in 4 years when he’s making the money you wanna give to the younger reinforcements and when we have an actually good team. Plus, the assets you’ll pay for getting rid of him when he slows down. If he’d be willing to sign for 4/5 yrs I could be talked into it. Other than that hard no for me.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
5 points in the last 4 games. But he’s the next Erne. Ok.
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Well... IF we're going to act snarky about things at least be right.


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Obviously, I'm not changing opinions and I'm not trying to. Just said mine and I don't think he's good. Saying what I think, and honestly hopefully he works out, it's not like I'm rooting against him.

IDK why you are taking it almost like, personally. Certainly nothing against you.

IF trading Kasper gets me Lindholm. Easy yes. (for me). Some people don't like the money I mentioned, fine, Yzerman's proven to be a better negotiator than me. He's basically signed everyone just a tad under what I thought they'd get, outside of Chairot/Copp.
 
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Winged Wheel Willy said:
Had this discussion with someone in another thread.

Lindholm turns 29 next week and apart from one ridiculous season playing with Gaudreau and Tkachuk he’s always produced like a 2nd line center. His numbers right now are comparable to Compher, on pace for 20/40. Though I agree he’s more offensively gifted, that’s not worth the difference of 3.5mil to me.

He’s lookin to cash out. Why do we want to fill the 2-hole for the next 6-8 years when we’ve drafted centers for that slot?Granted, You’re gonna be better earlier with Lindholm but you’ll likely regret it in 4 years when he’s making the money you wanna give to the younger reinforcements and when we have an actually good team. Plus, the assets you’ll pay for getting rid of him when he slows down. If he’d be willing to sign for 4/5 yrs I could be talked into it. Other than that hard no for me.
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Valid points. Money might be high.

I think Lindholms game will age like Patrice Bergeron's. (JMO) So there would be no trading him off with assets.( To me. )

I'll sum up a lot by saying I think Lindholm is and always will be better than Kasper, and that might bother a lot of people. An look who the Wings are hanging with. They're good now there isn't a need to wait for anything anymore. I am absolutely not worried about 6-8 years and am definitely looking at what they can do now through 4 years while Larkin can/will still produce.

Red Wings would look like/be the more talented version of the LA Kings.(Actually with more money)
 
Snuggs said:
Valid points. Money might be high.

I think Lindholms game will age like Patrice Bergeron's. (JMO) So there would be no trading him off with assets.( To me. )

I'll sum up a lot by saying I think Lindholm is and always will be better than Kasper, and that might bother a lot of people. An look who the Wings are hanging with. They're good now there isn't a need to wait for anything anymore. I am absolutely not worried about 6-8 years and am definitely looking at what they can do now through 4 years while Larkin can/will still produce.

Red Wings would look like/be the more talented version of the LA Kings.(Actually with more money)
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I'm not against Lindholm but I think the question right now isn't about Kasper but about Compher. Pushing Compher down to 3c would be a nice luxury, but so would spending that money and assets to acquire not on Lindholm but on a legit 2D or starting goalie.

regardless, have to admit that Yzerman has earned the benefit of the doubt with whatever direction he goes.
 
Nightmare on Helm St said:
Player comp to me is Landeskog / Eriksson Ek / Kessler. He’s a modern power forward, does everything you need a player to do. He’s not quite strong enough to play the game he wants to play, especially at the AHL level. He’s going to be a very important player for this franchise, especially as Larkin loses a step.
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Have always thought he plays like Eriksson Ek.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
I wouldn't be mad with either of these guys as an outcome. Especially if you look at how stinky that 2022 draft is overall.
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these would both be lofty outcomes for Kasper IMO. So far he has not shown anywhere near the offensive skill of Beniers or defensive ability of JEE.
 
RedHawkDown said:
these would both be lofty outcomes for Kasper IMO. So far he has not shown anywhere near the offensive skill of Beniers or defensive ability of JEE.
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How much did you really pay attention to Joel Eriksson Ek's defensive game when he was 18-19? Kasper's really solid defensively. Was used in a shutdown role last year in SHL and either looks good or great defensively anytime I watch the Griffins.
 
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Pavels Dog said:
How much did you really pay attention to Joel Eriksson Ek's defensive game when he was 18-19? Kasper's really solid defensively. Was used in a shutdown role last year in SHL and either looks good or great defensively anytime I watch the Griffins.
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Fair enough I won’t pretend to be an expert on Wild players.still think Beniers is a different tier of offensive talent
 
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Fair enough I won’t pretend to be an expert on Wild players.still think Beniers is a different tier of offensive talent
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Agreed, as he should be being a top 3 pick. I wouldn't judge Kasper too harshly on his season so far though. He showed a ton of good stuff last season, including skill and offensive ability. There IS more to his game than he's shown so far in GR.
 
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RedHawkDown said:
these would both be lofty outcomes for Kasper IMO. So far he has not shown anywhere near the offensive skill of Beniers or defensive ability of JEE.
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Without question, but there are definitely some stylistic comparisons to be made when you watch him. For what it is worth, I don't actually think Beniers is all that skilled offensively notwithstanding his production (which derives from other attributes of his game).
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
I wouldn't be mad with either of these guys as an outcome. Especially if you look at how stinky that 2022 draft is overall.
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The 2 picks right after Kasper are doing more than fine in pro leagues. Kasper basically has to be the next Kopitar to match what Mintyukov is doing.
 
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